[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family GROSS from Lublin area

[Sigrid Pohl Perry]

Hello Bernd,

I can't help you with finding the marriage record for Michael Gross and 
Anna Rosine Schinkel, but you might find the following comments helpful. 
First, yes Stasiew/Staszow/Staszew is most likely an early version in 
Polish or Russian for Stasin on later maps. Various records for the 
1860s-1880s describe it as being in Gmina Swieciechow in Janow in the 
Lublin Gubernia, or as you say also in the Walowice parish district. 
There is a Stasin which fits this description on a map you can download: 
http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/P45_S34_KRASNIK_300dpi.jpg

You will find Swieciechow along the western edge of the map by the Wisla 
River; you'll notice that that northwest edge also includes a bit of 
Walowice. Stasin is northeast of Swieciechow near Pielgrzymka and 
Miloszowka, two other villages whose residents regularly reported to 
Lublin for baptisms, marriages and deaths. Yes, I know it is a far 
distance to go, but it was the Evangelical church in the region at this 
time.

You will find Walowice on  this map's northeast corner: 
http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/A45_B33_OPATOW_300dpi.jpg

You will notice that the detailed birth/baptism record for Samuel Gross 
shows Jan 1865 in the Lublin index, but Nov 1864 from another disk which 
consists of "compilation tables." The volunteers use the prominent date 
in the record for the index; that is the baptism month and year; the day 
of birth is buried in the text of the detailed record, so it is possible 
he was born in Nov 1864 and baptised in Jan 1865. The table gives the 
names and the date with no information about godparents. You'd have to 
look at the record(s) to see the actual dates and other information. The 
volunteers can't provide that in an index.

Other possibilities for information: the Lublin Team still has records 
to index from 1872-1878 before your Gross family appears in Volhynia. If 
an older child dies during these years, a birthplace outside of the 
Lublin area may be noted in the record. Also, you should examine who the 
witnesses are on these records. They are usually family members or very 
close friends. You might find more information on records related to 
those people and see where they came from. In this way, you build on the 
family relationships.

I hope this information is helpful.  I am one of the Lublin Project 
volunteers. You may email me  privately if you have other questions.

Regards,
Sigrid Pohl Perry


On 1/27/2010 4:39 PM, Gaby und Bernd Erdmann wrote:
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> I am trying to trace back the family of Michael Gross and Anna Rosina Schinkel. Here the facts I have collected so far (thanks especially to the Lublin translation team):
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> Michael Gross  * ~1836  place ???
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> Anna Rosina Schinkel 1839    (may be Nov. 1839 Nowosolna)
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> Marriage date and place unknown
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> Children:
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> Samuel  Gross  * 17.11.1863 Stasiew, Lublin  (15km south-west of  Opole Lubelskie, 5 km east of river vistula)
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> Karolina Gross * 1867 Stasiew, Lublin
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> Christoph Gross * 1868 Stasiew, Lublin
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> Emilia Gross  * 30.04. 1871 Skordiow, (Chelm area)
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> Juliues * 16.01.1979 Helenow,  Wolhynien
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> Mathilde * 17.12. 1881 Helenow, Wolhynien
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> Birth of Anna Rosina Schinkel in 1839 in Nowosolna is confirmed but the marriage certificate is missing therefore I am not clear whether she is really the spouse of Michael Gross but name and date of birth match exactly. As disks related to marriages for the years 1856-1864 from the Lublin area have already been published I am assuming that the couple must have been move to the Lublin district after they got married.
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> I was not able to find Stasiew in one of the SGGEE scanned maps, nor is it shown on the Lublin church district map. According to the certificate of baptism the colony of Stasiew belonged to the district of Walowice. The only Walowice, which I could find is close by (east) the vistula river. The place Stasiew (Stasin) and the second location listed above, Skordiow do represent quiet a distance to Lublin. Stasiew to Lublin is about 90km and from Skordiow to Lublin would be more than 60 km given the infrastructure at that time this must have been kind of an adventure to get there, for the baptism of a child.
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> I am also interested in the marriage of Gustav Gross and Wilhelmine Engel in 1879, Nov 6th, Rozyszcze. Who are the parents of Gustav Gross and what is the place he was born, in case someone is just reading the film no. 2380026. Gustav might be another son of Michael Gross and Anna Rosina Schinkel.
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> Thanks for any help
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> Bernd
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