jkfrank at shaw.ca
Fri May 9 08:33:52 PDT 2003
Jan's description is correct. There have been significant boundary changes
However, I don't think that the first place name is necessarily the place
of birth. My FRANK family is from the Gostynin parish so I have looked
through a lot of records in that location from 1820 through 1868. I recall
few, if any, Germans that lived right in the town of Gostynin. They all
lived in surrounding villages.
I believe that this format is that which is established for LDS
indexing. That indexing never includes village names in Poland. Some
village names are usually included in the description of the microfilm
contents but not in the title nor in the index. If the first name is not
the parish, then I don't know what the reason would be for the duplication.
Al Muth has done a lot of the work in extracting these records. Perhaps he
can enlighten us more.
At 04:47 PM 09/05/2003 +0200, Jan Textor wrote:
>Jerry Frank wrote:
> > At 05:48 AM 07/05/2003 -0600, Delores Stevens wrote:
> > >If a birthplace states Gostynin, Gostynin, Warszawa, Poland or
> > Wloclawek,
> > >Wloclawek, Bydgoszcz, Poland: what does this mean. Is the
> > first one the
> > >town (village) and the last is the Country, what are the other 2.
> > Typically this would be parish - county - province - country. The actual
> > village if applicable will be noted in the final record.
> > Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> > jkfrank at shaw.ca
>I think that when we are talking about the source "SGGEE001r3" in the SGGEE
>Pedigree Database, the first name is the birth town (village) and not the
>parish. I don't think that the parish is mentioned at all. You are
>undoubtedly right about the next three = county - province - country.
>However, with regard to the province name one must remember that the
>designations of the Polish provinces have changed several times during the
>past couple of hundred years. One can find a good explanation here:
>If we take the example of Wloclawek, it is in the Kujawsko-pomorskie
>province (wojewodztwo) today. However, Bydgoszcz is the capital of this
>province. Between 1975 and 1999 Wloclawek had its own province, the
>Wloclawskie province (wojewodztwo). Between 1946 and 1975, as well as
>between the two World Wars, Wloclawek belonged to the Bydgoszcz province.
>During the long period when Wloclawek belonged to Congress Poland (1815
>until WWI) it was definitely not in the Bydgoszcz province, because
>Bydgoszcz (Bromberg) belonged to another country then (Prussia). As most of
>the births in the SGGEE database are from that period, I personally find it
>a bit misleading that Bydgoszcz is mentioned as the province. But that is of
>course a matter of opinion.
>Jan Textor, Denmark
Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
jkfrank at shaw.ca
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