[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] You clod! WAS: Grudzienski Alternate Name

Jan Textor textor at oncable.dk
Tue Sep 23 14:32:10 PDT 2003

Thanks a lot for this theory, which I think is quite plausible, although
Kluth and Klotz are pronounced somewhat differently. By the way, Demut means
"humility", so make your choice whether you want to be courageous or humble.

Jan Textor

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> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] You clod! WAS: Grudzienski Alternate Name
> Please pardon the pun!  Keep reading, I'll explain.
> Fred Hoffmann's "Polish Surnames: Origins and
> Meanings" gives a root GRUD- which gives rise
> to the Polish surnames of Gruda, Grudecki,
> Grudka, Grudowski, Grudziecki, Grudzien.
> The entry does allude to the word meaning
> "December", which Jan Textor just alluded to
> in a message here.  The meaning of the root GRUD-
> (in English) is "clod of earth, frozen ground".
> One of the German words given in my German-English/
> English-German dictionary for English clod
> is "Klotz".  I do not pretend to be an expert
> in Germanic Philology or Germanistik, but I do
> know that the sounds TZ = T in some dialects
> (compare German ZWEI English TWO).  From KLOTZ to
> KLUTH, the distance is not very far.  I am sure
> we must have some German citizens reading our
> list who may have some knowledge of "Dialektologie",
> who can clarify this matter.
> For the record, I teach Spanish and am trained
> in comparative Romance linguistics (romanische
> Philologie).
> Therefore, Gary, if I ever call you "Gary,
> you clod", you must remember that I am
> addressing you respectfully as a Kluth
> descendant.  :>)
> Semantically, the development must run along
> the same lines as from the Dutch noun BOOR =
> 'farmer' to English BOORISH, meaning NOT "farmer-
> like" (positive qualities) but rather "rustic,
> illiterate, clownish".
> True etymologies are not easy to discover.  My
> own surname Muth (which rhymes with Kluth!)
> is APPARENTLY transparent since the German word
> MUT means "courage".  However, my family
> tradition is that we originated in Alsace-
> Lorraine, where the surname was Demuth.
> I have lost the link to a French website there
> that gave the etymology of local surnames,
> including both Muth and Demuth--"courage" had
> nothing to do with the origin and historical
> development of the surname. (Sadly, the link
> no longer works)
> Sincerely,
> Just Another Clod
> (Al Muth)
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