[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Dorothy N. - Re: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 18, Issue 7

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Hi Dorothy,

Don't know if this will help. I am including my family and their 
relationship to the NEUMANN.

Our branch of this family is generally known as BARZ, but sometimes they and 
other relatives are listed as BARTZ. Many potentially realtives were in the 
MN, WI, IA, IL area.

My great-grandfather, Ernst Friederich BARZ,  had an older half-sister, 
Hanna Charlotte Friederica BARZ. She was born 1846 in Gross Dallenthin 
Poland/Prussia and died 1898 in Joliet, Will Co. IL. She was married to 
Albert NEUMANN when they emigrated to IL with her extended family. Albert's 
birth date and location is unknown. We think the family, including  Hanna 
and Albert, came as a group about 1881. We think Hanna and Albert had 
several children, but the only name we have is Carl (Charles) NEUMANN.

Charlotte's birth mother was Sophie Elisabeth Laurette Raddatz, born 1825 
and died abt. 1851 in Gross Dallenthin Poland/Prussia.  Charlotte had a full 
sister named Caroline Wihelmine BARZ, born 1850 and died 1972 in 
Henriettenthal, Prussia/Poland.

The father of all the Barz children was Ernst Theodor Erdmann BARZ. He was 
born about 1825. He may have died prior to the emigration or on the way, 
location unknown. His second wife, mother of 6 sons including my ancestor 
and three daughters, was Casroline Justine BECKER. She born about 1832 in 
Poland/Prussia and died about 1900 in Joliet, Will Co. IL.

We have the baptism and confirmation papers for my ancestor. He was baptised 
1862 at the Royal Prussian-Pomeranian Church, Persazig Parish, 
Poland/Prussia. It was registered by a Lutheran pastor, so I assume it was a 
Lutheran Church. He was confirmed 1876 in Schochwerder. I assume this is 
also a Lutheran church.
Location of the town was presumed to be in Poland/Prussia, but recent info 
suggests it may have been a city near a seaport in northern Germany. The 
family may have been enroute to the US when this happened.

I will be interested to learn if we connect. Your info might be helpful to 
my BARZ "cousin" who is doing the primary research on this branch of our 
family.

Best Regards,  Tricia M.

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Subject: Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 18, Issue 7


> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:41:53 -0600
> From: "Royal Natzke" <rdnatzke at execpc.com>
> Hello,
> I am hoping someone can help me find my grandfather's birth place. His 
> name
> was John Martin Neumann and his US Immigration papers state he was born in
> KURNENZ, Russia in 1860. On the Declaration of Intention the town is 
> spelled
> KURMENZ.. I have not been able to find it on maps. At the University of WI 
> map
> room, they suggested trying a soundex version and came up with the town of
> Kormanice in Poland. Could it be possible that this was Poland and not 
> Russia
> at the time? His marriage in 1882 to Pauline Kunkel is recorded in the
> Rosyscze Lutheran Church records in Volhynia. Their children were born in
> Mariendorf, Vladimir, Volhynia. He immigrated to the US via Canada in 
> 1911.
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> Dorothy Natzke