[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] BERLIN ARCHIVES LETTER TRANSLATED

[richard benert]

I am also now very sure that Paul is right.  I've deleted the original 
German letter to Mike, so I can't check it again, but I'm quite sure that 
when it said that "they" were in Polish, it was referring to the copies, not 
to the originals.  If I had done a better translating job, perhaps this 
confusion wouldn't have happened.  Verzeihen Sie, bitte.

Dick B.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <PnSWork at aol.com>
To: <maurmike at bellatlantic.net>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] BERLIN ARCHIVES LETTER TRANSLATED


>
> We ordered some birth records (for my great-grandparents - born in 1881 
> and
> 1885 respectively) from the Polish archives many years ago .  Although the
> original records were written in Russian (we have since seen a microfilm 
> of the
> original records), the certificates that they sent us were on a printed 
> form
> in  Polish.  I think what they're saying is that the copies that they 
> provide
> would be in Polish.  The Polish archives have a very strong bias towards 
> the
> Polish language. :-(
>
> I would hazard a strong opinion that the original is most probably in
> Russian, but they will most probably not provide a photocopy of the 
> orginal.
> Rather, they will provide a transcript of the record, and that  transcript 
> will be
> in Polish on a pre-printed form.
>
> Take care,
>
>    -Paul
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> maurmike at bellatlantic.net writes:
>
> I sent  an email to the archivist requesting copies of the originals.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Frank  [mailto:FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:54  AM
> To: Michael & Maureen McHenry;  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: RE: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  BERLIN ARCHIVES LETTER TRANSLATED
> Importance: High
>
> I would doubt  that they made such an exception but I suppose that
> anything is  possible.  It is also possible that there was a duplicate
> set of  books - one in Russian for the government  (so far not found
> and not  filmed by the LDS) and another for the local church in German
> and/or  Polish.
>
> Only way to find out for sure is to order the copies of the  records.
>
>
>
>
> At 09:35 AM 01/08/2005, Michael & Maureen  McHenry wrote:
>>This is my point you would expect the records to be  Russian. However
> besides
>>the pre 1867 films and confirmation records  I don't think the Mormons 
>>have
>>any post 1867 BMD for Lipno. Is it  possible the Russians made an 
>>exception
>>for  Lipno?
>>
>>                 Mike
>>
>>-----Original  Message-----
>>From:  ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
>>[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]  On Behalf Of Jerry
>>Frank
>>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:59  AM
>>To: Michael & Maureen McHenry;  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>>Subject: Re:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] BERLIN ARCHIVES LETTER TRANSLATED
>>Importance:  High
>>
>>At 02:31 PM 30/07/2005, Michael & Maureen McHenry  wrote:
>> >Richard Benert and Henry Brodersen were both kind enough to  do
>>translations.
>> >Below is the pertinent excerpt. Note that  the last paragraph says the
>> >entries would be Polish. How could  this be? Is she mistaken? Marianne
>>Manzei
>> >appears in the  confirmation records-1904.
>> >
>> >
>> >In the  baptismal book of the Evangelical-Augsburg Church of Lipno  that
> lies
>> >before us, we have found the 1883 baptismal entry for  Auguste Manzei.
>> >Father:  Ferdinand Manzei
>> >Mother:  Rosalie, born Briese
>> >
>> >In the year 1886 is found an  entry for Emil Manzei.
>> >Father: Ferdinand Manzei
>>  >Mother:  Eva, born Pankratz
>> >
>> >In the year 1889  there is an entry for Marianne Manzei.
>> >Father: Ferdinand  Manzei
>> >Mother:  Ludowika, born Krueger
>> >
>>  >Upon request (and a charge would apply) we would send you a copy of 
>> these
>> >entries. However, they would be in the Polish language and  our office
> does
>> >not accept requests for translations.
>>  >
>> >With friendly greetings,
>> >Christine Hinz
>>  >
>> >                 Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>Births, marriages, and  deaths were recorded in the church books on
>>behalf of the government so  they are in the official language of the
>>country.  Confirmations  are solely a church rite and therefore are
>>recorded in German, the  language of the church.
>>
>>I am confused about the reference to  the records being in Polish.  I
>>would expect them to be in Russian  as it was enforced as the official
>>language in  1867.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jerry Frank - Calgary,  Alberta
>>FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>>
>>
>>
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> Jerry Frank - Calgary,  Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
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