[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] September 31 ????

[Gary Warner]

Bill,

OK, I say Uncle.  Too many smart people here.  I will be quiet for awhile, 
but I am again impressed with the knowledge here.  Who would have guessed 
when you started doing your family history that it would be as convoluted 
as it is.

Gary

At 07:51 PM 1/20/2005, Bill Fife wrote:
>Gary,
>
>You state "It would be nice if someone had the time to use the calendar
>converter to document what year the changes were effective from the 1500s
>through 1917."
>
>This is not as simple as it may seem.  You not only have to find the date of
>the change, you must keep in mind that different countries changed calendars
>at different times.
>
>If the notes I have been keeping on the subject are correct, in 1582 Pope
>Gregory XIII decreed that the day following 4 October 1582 would be called
>15 October 1582. This was the start of the 10 days difference
>
>Many good Catholic countries, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Luxembourg,
>Prussia, the Catholic States of Germany, Switzerland and Holland quickly
>jumped on the band wagon.  Poland changed in 1586 and Hungary in 1587.
>
>
>
>The Protestant countries did not want to be seen a followers  and dragged
>their feet. Not until  1752 did the British Government, George II was the
>King, impose the Gregorian Calendar on all its possessions --- including the
>American Colonies.
>
>
>
>By then, the cumulative error was calculated to be 11 days --- so the decree
>told everyone that the day after 2 September 1752 would be called 14
>September 1752, a correction of 11 days.
>
>
>
>Lenin's Government decreed that the day after 31 January 1918, O.S. (old
>style calendar) would be called 14 February 1918, N.S. (new style calendar)
>so, Lenin got to abolish three more days than Pope Gregory XIII. It is  my
>understanding is that the Russian Orthodox Church decided not to followed
>suit and still uses the Julian Calendar as do some Christian sects in the
>Middle East.
>
>
>
>In Russia, one would add 12 days - until 28 Feb 1900 - 13 days thereafter to
>arrive at NS. However, as we've seen, the Western European countries had
>already made the change.
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>England did not formally adopt the Georgian calendar until 170 years after a
>large part of the world.  Greece did not change calendars until 1923.
>
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>Bill
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary Warner" <gary at warnerengineering.com>
>To: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>; "Karl Krueger"
><dabookk54 at yahoo.com>; "Mail List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] September 31 ????
>
>
>Rose,
>
>I remember trying a series of dates in the calendar converter at
>http://www.calendarhome.com/converter/  and as I recall, the change in days
>was not exactly at the century mark, and even varied a little bit from
>century to century in the change in number of days.  It would be nice if
>someone had the time to use the calendar converter to document what year
>the changes were effective from the 1500s through 1917, when I think the
>Russians finally stopped using the Julian calendar.
>
>Gary Warner
>Gig Harbor, WA
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>At 11:48 AM 1/20/2005, Rose Ingram wrote:
> >Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the 13 days
> >difference was in effect after 1900.  Prior to that most double dates in
> >the records were 12 days apart.
> >
> >Rose Ingram
> >
> >
> >From: "Karl Krueger" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:03 AM
> >
> >>Does anyone know if the some groups using the old Julian calendar or some
> >>other time employed a September 31 day?
> >>
> >>I have translated a course of life my grandfather wrote and in being very
> >>specific to some dates he also gives the days of the week. Therefore I
> >>could tell the dates he was using were according to the Julian calendar -
> >>13 days off from our (Gregorian) calendar. But at one point he is quite
> >>definite on specific dates and days of the week but I find he is off by
> >>one day in this set of paragraphs. I wondered if by chance some people
> >>used 30 days in August and 31 days in September as this would explain it,
> >>however, my limited research online did not indicate such usage.
> >>
> >>Now I just translated for someone something that was handwritten back in
> >>this same period as when my grandfather's story occurred. This person
> >>seems to indicate a birthdate of Sep. 31, 1894. Since this is now the
> >>second case in favor of a Sep 31 possibility I wonder if anyone else can
> >>shed light on this - or do we have two different people making mistakes.
> >>
> >>
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