[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 24, Issue 10

Tue May 31 16:32:28 PDT 2005

Jerry Frank's assistance & Guenther Boehm's assistance was of great help! I
love this ListServeList!

I believe it was a "B". My doctor friend is not a certified translator, but
has offered her assistance on good report. Biala is the name, I'm sure, as I
see it plainly. but is is hard to descipher all of the document, and Dr.
Pokroy has done marvelously to assist me. Biala is also noted on my
grandmother's record, with reference to a witness, who came from that area;
my grandmother was born in Maszewo, not far from Biala. Also these are both
situated quite close to Plock, where the original record was stored. This, I
am certain is the place. Thank you to all for all your support!

I've also recently had my gggrandfather's death record transcribed from the
same area, by Dr. Pokroy, and his father's name is stated in this document,
which only confirms further the identity of my ggggrandfather, which is also
confirmed via the SGGEE db.

Many thanks,

Gilda Patterson
Calgary, AB
CANADA
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>    1. Re: Maria Mathilde Scher (Rose Ingram)
>    2. Schmidtke Family (Harry Jansohn)
>    3. Re: Schmidtke Family (Rose Ingram)
>    4. Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame (Gilda J. Patterson)
>    5. Re: Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame (Jerry Frank)
>    6. Re: Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame (Guenther Boehm)
>    7. Re: Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame (Gary Warner)
>    8. Surname BURG - Help in finding information (george robinson)
>    9. KOVNA/KOVONA RUSSIAN POLAND (JUSTIN L DINGMAN)
>   10. Re: KOVNA/KOVONA RUSSIAN POLAND (Jerry Frank)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:09:28 -0700
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Maria Mathilde Scher
> To: shoning at att.net, ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <001c01c561a8$b72fa480$c1034618 at roses>
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> If Karl Litke and Maria Mathilde Scher (or Scherer?) did marry in Lodz in
> 1876, you may find their marriage record on Film # 1191746.  A word of
> caution the record will probably be written in Russian.  This marriage
> record 'should' say where Maria was born.
>
> Rose Ingram
>
>
> > With much appreciated help from Al Muth and John Marsch, my question of
a
> > few days ago about my great grandfather Karl Litke's place of birth has
> > been answered.  So I have become emboldened to ask a "related" question
> > whose answer has eluded me thus far.
> >
> > My great grandfather Karl Litke married a Maria Mathilde Scher on 20
> > February 1876 in Lodz.  Maria was born on 26 April 1853 in Lodz.  I have
> > not found any information about Maria's family nor about their marriage,
> > other than the note made by Karl.
> >
> > Does anyone have a recommendation of how I may find some informaton
about
> > Maria's family?
> >
> > George Shoning
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 07:53:24 -0400
> From: "Harry Jansohn" <hrjansohn at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schmidtke Family
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <410-220055426115324531 at earthlink.net>
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>
> This is in reply to Carsten W?hrman's letter about the Schmidtke Family.
> Some of his family was listed from the Mariampol area.  I had some records
> printed out and I found an Adolf Schmidtke, born 1883, on a confirmation
list
> of the Ev. Lutheran Church of Mariampol.  His birthplace is Nowolotoki ?,
and
> his father's name is also Adolf.  These particular records are in German,
and I
> have found many of my family members on them.  This film is Vault INTL
Film
> 1924664 Items 1-2, from the Family History Center.  The title is Metrical
Books,
> 1838-1918. Ev. Lutheran Church of Mar'yampol'.
>
> I am still looking for information on all of my mother's family.  They
were mainly
> from the Mariampol area, but earlier from Neustadt/Naumiestis/Wladislowow.
> Surnames: Frendzel/ Delgau or Dalchau/Jurkszat or
Jurkschat/Niederstrasser.
>
> Janice Jansohn
>
>
>
>
> Harry Jansohn
> hrjansohn at earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:38:59 -0700
> From: Rose Ingram <roseingram at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Schmidtke Family
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <00a501c56211$6aecb130$c1034618 at roses>
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> I believe the "Mariampol" Carsten is citing is a village in the Ozorkow
> parish area. Quite a few of Carsten's ancestors (both Schmidtke and
Krueger)
> do show up on the Pedigree Database in the Member's only section.
>
> Rose Ingram
>
>
>
> > This is in reply to Carsten W?hrman's letter about the Schmidtke Family.
> > Some of his family was listed from the Mariampol area.  I had some
records
> > printed out and I found an Adolf Schmidtke, born 1883, on a confirmation
> > list
> > of the Ev. Lutheran Church of Mariampol.  His birthplace is Nowolotoki
?,
> > and
> > his father's name is also Adolf.  These particular records are in
German,
> > and I
> > have found many of my family members on them.  This film is Vault INTL
> > Film
> > 1924664 Items 1-2, from the Family History Center.  The title is
Metrical
> > Books,
> > 1838-1918. Ev. Lutheran Church of Mar'yampol'.
> >
> > I am still looking for information on all of my mother's family.  They
> > were mainly
> > from the Mariampol area, but earlier from
Neustadt/Naumiestis/Wladislowow.
> > Surnames: Frendzel/ Delgau or Dalchau/Jurkszat or
> > Jurkschat/Niederstrasser.
> >
> > Janice Jansohn
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:23:07 -0600
> From: "Gilda J. Patterson" <gilda.patterson at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <008201c56230$ba96bb80$6701a8c0 at ANGEL>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Is anyone acquainted with this settlement area? Rjalo Settlement near
Plock.
> Could this possibly be Rakowo or Rybaki or Ruda.
> The document was transcribed by a very good friend who is a doctor & who
is
> transcribing my Great Aunt's wedding document in old Polish handwriting.
>
> Thank you for any help.
>
> Gilda Patterson
> Calgary, AB
> CANADA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:59:53 -0600
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame
> To: "Gilda J. Patterson" <gilda.patterson at shaw.ca>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050526145055.02f0f3b0 at shawmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>
> At 02:23 PM 26/05/2005, Gilda J. Patterson wrote:
> >Is anyone acquainted with this settlement area? Rjalo Settlement near
Plock.
> >Could this possibly be Rakowo or Rybaki or Ruda.
> >The document was transcribed by a very good friend who is a doctor & who
is
> >transcribing my Great Aunt's wedding document in old Polish handwriting.
> >
> >Thank you for any help.
> >
> >Gilda Patterson
>
>
>
> I have seen many place names butchered by well intentioned, and otherwise
> well qualified, transcribers.  They simply do not know enough about
> geography and places to be accurate.  In Poland there are no place names
> whatsoever that begin Rj...  By sound, it would be Ri... (there are none
of
> those either) or Ry...  of which there are numerous
> possibilities.  However, in no case is Ry... ever followed by any vowel.
>
> If you send me a scan of the document privately, I will try to get a
better
> reading for you.  Please include as much of the document as possible, not
> just the line with the place name, so that I can compare the handwriting
to
> other parts of the text.
>
>
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:00 +0200
> From: Guenther Boehm <GHBoehm at ish.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <4297614C.8050602 at ish.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> Gilda J. Patterson schrieb:
>
> >Is anyone acquainted with this settlement area? Rjalo Settlement near
Plock.
> >Could this possibly be Rakowo or Rybaki or Ruda.
> >The document was transcribed by a very good friend who is a doctor & who
is
> >transcribing my Great Aunt's wedding document in old Polish handwriting.
> >
> Gilda,
> there is a small village Biale near Plock some 15 km southwest of it and
> the villages Biala Nowa and Biala Stara just north of the town.
>
> Guenther
> from Hilden, Germany
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:23:47 -0700
> From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Rjalo Settlement 1852 time-frame
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID:
> <6.2.1.2.2.20050527132019.02749a20 at mail.warnerengineering.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Gilda,
>
> Guenther is likely onto the correct place, as in the old hand written
> records, it is often very difficult to tell the difference between a
> capital B and and capital R.
>
> Gary Warner
> Gig Harbor, WA
>
> At 11:05 AM 5/27/2005, Guenther Boehm wrote:
> >Gilda J. Patterson schrieb:
> >
> > >Is anyone acquainted with this settlement area? Rjalo Settlement near
Plock.
> > >Could this possibly be Rakowo or Rybaki or Ruda.
> > >The document was transcribed by a very good friend who is a doctor &
who is
> > >transcribing my Great Aunt's wedding document in old Polish
handwriting.
> > >
> >Gilda,
> >there is a small village Biale near Plock some 15 km southwest of it and
> >the villages Biala Nowa and Biala Stara just north of the town.
> >
> >Guenther
> >from Hilden, Germany
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:28:26 -0400
> From: "george robinson" <derobinson2 at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname BURG - Help in finding
> information
> To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID: <004001c563b3$0a81c620$1a62d1d8 at b1gjqh24>
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>
> Greetings - does anyone have any information on either of these two BURGs?
Are either of them on any of your family trees?
>
> Attestation documents from the Mobilization Centres for the Canadian
Expeditionery Force of WW I -
>
> First one was signed on 12th February, 1918 at the Mobilization Centre,
London, Ontario by George BURG,  address: 815 East 95th Street, Cleveland,
Ohio.  Born in Polish Russia on 14 January 1898.  Mother is Ellen BURG of
Smoky Lake (Post Office), Alberta   (TOA 3C0).
>
> Second one was signed on 11th February, 1918 in Toronto, Ontario by Edward
BURG, address: 1204 Austin Ave., Chicago, Illinois.  Born in Toronto 27
July, 1878.  Next of Kin: Morris Curran (brother) of 1204 Austin Ave.,
Chicage, Illinois.
>
> Thanks,
> George Robinson (Member R015)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:38:07 -0700
> From: JUSTIN L DINGMAN <jld194112 at juno.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] KOVNA/KOVONA RUSSIAN POLAND
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <20050530.133811.-1656257.2.JLD194112 at juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Does anyone know of the town located in the area of Russian-Poland: KOVNA
> OR KOVONA. Don't know if I have the right spellings.  Time period 1800's.
>
> Justin L Dingman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:02:40 -0600
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] KOVNA/KOVONA RUSSIAN POLAND
> To: JUSTIN L DINGMAN <jld194112 at juno.com>,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050531075645.03604590 at shawmail>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii
>
> At 02:38 PM 30/05/2005, JUSTIN L DINGMAN wrote:
> >Does anyone know of the town located in the area of Russian-Poland: KOVNA
> >OR KOVONA. Don't know if I have the right spellings.  Time period 1800's.
> >
> >Justin L Dingman
>
>
> Kovno is today known as Kaunas and is a large town / small city in
> Lithuania.  I THINK it was just outside the northern most boundary of
> Russian Poland but don't have a clear cut map of the area to say for sure.
>
> I don't see any other locations with similar spelling to yours.  If the
> source of your info is a record of some kind, we may be able to help more.
>
>
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
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