[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] MANIFEST SPELLINGSS

[Jerry Frank]

I'm not sure if travel documents were always consistent - and they may have changed format over 30 years of typical migration.

I have seen some in booklet form, not unlike that used today.  I have also seen documents with German on one side, Russian Cyrillic on the other.  Ditto for Polish / Russian, and French / Russian.

Unfortunately I do not have any of any kind for my own family.  :-( 


Jerry





----- Original Message -----
From: Mike McHenry <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
Date: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:20 pm
Subject: MANIFEST SPELLINGSS

> Jerry
> 
> I agree that there is an uncanny accuracy in the village. 
> Interestingly in
> the particular case of my ancestor his name is spelled in the 
> Polish way.
> The German spelling is Manzei, but the spelling on the manifest is the
> Polish way Mancei. If you are correct it suggests his travel 
> papers were in
> Polish. I would have thought they would be in Russian.
> 
>                                        Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Frank [mailto:FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca] 
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:50 AM
> To: Mike McHenry
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] writing family history
> Importance: High
> 
> I think that the simplest answer, Mike, is that in 99% of the 
> cases, the
> clerk entering the place name was relying on a passport or other 
> traveldocument and ignored the diacritic in recording the info.  
> It would be
> written the same regardless of whether the immigrant was German or 
> Polish.  
> 
> If you consider the spelling of obscure villages on ship records, 
> settingaside the issue of bad handwriting, the actual spelling is 
> oftensurprisingly accurate.  It is only reasonable to assume that 
> this is because
> of copying what is written on a document.
> 
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike McHenry <maurmike1 at verizon.net>
> Date: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:39 am
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] writing family history
> 
> > This sort of discussion always makes wonder how they managed to 
> > get these
> > names right in ships manifests. My ancestors all came by way of 
> > the North
> > German Lloyd Line. I have always assumed the ships officers were 
> > German and
> > they prepared the manifest. On the recent posting by me on Lodz, the
> > manifest spelled it without a diacritic. How would a German 
> immigrant> pronounce it to the ships officer?
> > 
> >                                        Mike
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> > [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf 
> > Of Jerry
> > Frank
> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:57 PM
> > To: Irene König; rlyster at telusplanet.net
> > Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] writing family history
> > 
> > At 10:40 AM 19/11/2006, Irene König wrote:
> > >rlyster at telusplanet.net schrieb am 19.11.2006 
> > >16:41 Uhr: > > Lotsch = Litzmanstadt   or is it 
> > >Lodz ?  (Spellings please) The name of the town 
> > >is Łódź. It was Litzmannstadt between 1940 
> > >and 1945. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodz irene
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Irene's text got messed up because our mailing 
> > list will not transmit special characters.
> > 
> > The fully correct spelling for Lodz is to 
> > reproduce the Polish character L with a slash 
> > through it.  The approximate sort of almost 
> > pronunciation of it is something like "vwudge" but don't hold me 
> > to that.
> > :-)
> > 
> > If you want to show it correctly in your family 
> > history book, you can do so by inserting it as a 
> > special character in most word processors.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> > FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca  
> > 
> > 
> > 
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