[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Stamm Buch

Mon May 5 17:22:19 PDT 2008

Hi Ed and all

One of my Opa's brought a blank AhnenpaB with him when he immigrated to 
Canada.  He filled in what he could after arriving in Cananda.  I have 
inherited this AhnenpaB.

Attached are the first two pages of the AhnenpaB.  I however, am not so good 
at reading the old Gothes style of German and so am not so sure about what 
they contain.

Those are the first two pages.  There is quite a bit more from pages 41-48 
in the back.

I now have it with me.  If anyone would like to see any more of the pages, 
let me know

Susie Lewis

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From: "Ed Sonnenburg" <esonnenburg at sympatico.ca>
To: "Susie Lewis" <lewisinwaterloo at sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Stamm Buch
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:50:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Does anyone have an original or copy of an Ahnenpass.  The paragraph
describing what kind of a country Germany was to be, how foreigners
and others were to be treated etc.  The first few pages of an Ahnenpass
are quite interesting to read.

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From: Susie Lewis
Date: 5/5/2008 5:48:31 PM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Stamm Buch

Since most of us do have Saints as well as Sinners in the Family, I will go
out on a limb.

Ok, now to ask what some, including myself, are reluctant to admit:  What of
those who did have distant cousins who where indeed in the SS?

Since this was a distant relative, of course I do not have the Stamm Buch in
my possession.  Is there a place where one could look up former SS men?

Signed
Me

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From: "Ed Sonnenburg" <esonnenburg at sympatico.ca>
To: "Volhynia List" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] several miscelaneous questions
-aclarification
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:15:36 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

Many Stammbuecher may not have survived depending on circumstances.
When our relatives were fleeing the Russians they were overtaken and
had to throw all their documents into the snow.  Others may have burned
or buried them so they wouldn't be found to be Germans.

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From: F&RM Haddad
Date: 5/2/2008 8:46:18 AM
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] several miscelaneous questions -
aclarification

Thank-you to those who responded to my questions, both privately  and here.

I do hope I haven't stirred up any kind of hornet's nest with my  question
about the Stammbuch.

I wonder if in addition to Gunther's classifications of those who  needed
a Stammbuch there might be another. Is it possible that those
Germans from Poland and Volynia who were trying to return to Germany during
this  time also needed such a record. This would be the class that my
ancestors would have fallen into. They were good and God-fearing people,
none of them Nazis, much less SS or high-ranking state officials. Common
people, all of them. I wonder if they were required to write to the relevant
churches to obtain the information, for I note that beside many of the
entries there are numbers like #23/1877, #55/1823 after the place-name. I
would assume that these refer to record #23, 55, or whatever, of that year
of records.

When I began independent research (i.e. microfilms of church records)
I naively assumed that the Stammbuch entries were totally correct -
it is only lately that I've begun to realize that the Stammbuch
information was only as accurate as the care taken and expertise of what
must have been harried church secretaries, or who-ever did the research for
the books in question. So, to answer my own question, so far, the
information from the S-book I have is remarkably accurate.

The clarification I need to make is that in the same email I made
reference to Pommeranian nobility, and may have given the impression that
this was from the Stammbuch. In my case it is from a Swedish g-grandmother
(paternal) who happened to have nobility in her ancestry. For a
while Pommerania was part of Sweden, and hence the Pommeranian nobility. The
S-book people were maternal side. I can see now that this may have
been anything but clear.

An aside: my study of my genealogy has made me aware of what a "long shot"
I am. Because a move was made from Germany to Poland, from Poland to
Volynia, from Volynia to Canada, and from Germany to Canada, because a
wife died, and the husband remarried, or because a husband died and the wife
remarried, because person "a" fell in love with and married person "b"
and not person "c", and even because an angry passion caused someone to rape
an ancestress, I am who I am - in fact, I am at all. If even one of these
events had turned out differently, I would not be. I am truly an accident
of birth. I find my study of genealogy fascinating, and likely spend far too
many hours on it - but I also hold the results with a light hand. So I may
have descended from King so-and-so. If it is far enough back, you likely did
too – or one of his contemporaries. I'm told that every peasant has kings in
his ancestry, and every king has peasants in his. I just happened to find
some of mine, peasants and kings! The search goes on.

Rose-Marie Haddad from Canada

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