[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA testing done

[gswilson19 at aol.com]

Al,

?? My Haplo group comes back the same as yours R1a or R1a1 also.? It suprised me in that I always thought of my ancestors as ethnically German.? But Germans seems to be a small part of the R1a group.? 

Gail


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From: albertmuth at aol.com
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Sent: Sat, 2 May 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA testing done



I imagine we will find a variety of haplogroups amongst SGGEE members,?

since the places of origin are widespread.







My haplogroup is R1a or perhaps R1a1. I did not have the most in depth



test run, so my results came back with this question.









R1a1 is found in up to 50% of Ashkenazi Jews (those of Eastern Europe



including Poland and the Ukraine); and it rather surprised me that



my closest matches are, in fact, Jewish. ?The homeland of the Ashkenazi?



Jews was not Eastern Europe; in medieval times, they lived in the



Rhineland area of Germany.









My family tradition is that my surname Muth (with a standard German



meaning of 'courage') was originally Demuth (meaning 'humility').



The region of origin was Alsace-Lorraine (same general area as?



Rhineland), and the person who made?the migration happens to?



be the person with whom I lose my paper?trail as I trace the family?



backward. ?Daniel Muth showed up in?Stypin, Poland and witnesses?



a baptism in the Catholic parish of?Modzerowo in 1794. ?His son?



Samuel is baptized there in 1796,?and marries in the parish of Babiak?



in 1815.









I have hypothesized that the Demuth name became Muth upon



arrival in Poland, where the prefix De- is used in front of a surname



to show a noble origin (as in French). ?It can also be used in the



records to translate German VON.










Trust me, the people named in my closest matches are Jewish.



The test does not come back clues that allow you, independently,



to trace their ancestry. ?My closest match is a 21 year old from



a highly prominent Jewish family in San Diego, with strong ties



to Israel on his maternal side. His middle name is an invented



family surname--no one else in the world has it but a small group



of people who descend from one Russian Jew in New York City.



And it is not just coincidence of names; I pieced together his



family tree just by googling, using CA birth and marriage records



at ancestry.com, and finding his full name
 in a book dedication,



the book being the autobiography of a woman American novelist



whose name I am sure everyone knows (her books are in



almost every supermarket that I have ever shopped at in a?



cash register display; this is on his MOTHER's side of the



family). ?My supposed connection?with him is back about?



13 generations, or 325 years ago.









The next step for me, is to do a more in-depth test using more



markers.







Al Muth

Livonia, Michigan













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From: gswilson19 at aol.com

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Sent: Sat, 2 May 2009 3:40 pm

Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA testing done











I'm curious whether anyone20on this list has had DNA testing done on themselves 
or their relatives.? And if so, what Haplo group they found their ancestors to 
be from.

Gail


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