[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kaminski /Steinke / Stein

Sun May 3 10:11:14 PDT 2009

To this I will add that while, yes we can see that stone = stone (Kaminski = Stein),
keep in mind that the Polish surname may only translate a part of the

German surname.  Kaminski is also commonly used in records

for ethnic German individuals whose names are Steinke, Doberstein,

and Koberstein.  How do you know which one it is?  You don't,

at least until you can see the same family group later on, using

the German version of the surname.

Polish góra = German Berg (English 'mountain').  This has been

used for Falkenberg.

When I am transcribing records, I often keep a German dictionary and

a book on Polish surnames at hand.  Eventually, you do start 

remembering certain equivalences.  Like when learning a foreign

language, by the time you have looked up a word for the umpteenth

time, you tend to remember it. (and scold yourself for being lazy 

and alzheimerish)

Al Muth

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
To: mag_ton <mag_ton at yahoo.com>
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Sent: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Kaminski /Steinke / Stein

Magda,

As you may know, we have this couple in the SGGEE Master Pedigree 
database.   We would be pleased if you would add your data to that 
database to help fill in areas that we do not have.

The surname Kaminski is from the Polish word Kamien, which is a stone.   
Stein is the German word for stone.

Ga
ry Warner
SGGEE

mag_ton wrote:
>     I am related to Anna Catherine Steinke/Stein who was married to  Marcin 
Ziemer of Mielno ,  Wloclawek , Byd.,Poland , probably around 1795 . He died 
1819 in Mielno; I do not know when she died.  The name is Steinke or Stein in  
various record of her children . Does that mean I should also  be looking for 
her also as Anna Catherine KAMINSKI in records as well ?? What does the Polish 
name KAMINSKI mean ?  
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> Magda
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 19:46:17 -0600
> From: "Nelson Itterman" <colnels at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname Poborski
> To: <albertmuth at aol.com>, <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> I have heard the name Podborski, could there be relationship?
> Nelson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of
> albertmuth at aol.com
> Sent: May-02-09 7:28 PM
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname Poborski
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> This is pretty funny, that George suggests that Poborski could be Z?llner.
> Steuereinnehmer, Steuerbeamte--surnames all having to do with being a
> "tax-taker", for those of you
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> who do not know German yet (I am an optimist).
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> In Fred Hoffman's "Polish Surnames: Origins and Meanings", the surname
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> Poborski is a derivative of a verb in Polish podebrac'?m
eaning "to take,
> remove, pilfer"
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> In other words, not a generic term for "taking", which is a basic, essential
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> verb in any language. ?Rather, there is an additional connotation, perhaps a
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> negative one (!), referring to the man to whom one pays taxes.
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> I love it.
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> al
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Stein <ra_stein at telus.net>
> To: George Shoning <shoning at q.com>; spaghettitree at aol.com;
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Sat, 2 May 2009 7:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname Poborski
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> Maureen and George,
> Thank you for responding to my query regarding the name Poborski.  A variety
> of surnames was attributed to Gertrude in several Polish and German vital
> records of her husband and children.  One of the names was Poborski and I
> theorized that one of the others was a German equivalent.  However, none of
> them had the Steuer root or looked like Zollner.
>
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Shoning" <shoning at q.com>
> To: <spaghettitree at aol.com>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname Poborski
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> Other German t
> erms: Z?llner, Steuereinnehmer(in), Steuerbeamte(r)
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> George
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>> From: Spaghettitree at aol.com
>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:07:20 -0400
>> To: ra_stein at telus.net; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Surname Poborski
>>
>> Ac
cording to Hoffman's (Polish) Surnames and Bahlow's German Names,
>> Poborski is one spelling for tax-collector, coming off the root Poborc. In
>> German, a tax-collector is a Steuer or Steuerlein or Steurer, in Middle 
>> High
>> German, stiure stiuer.
>>
>> Maureen
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>>
>> In a message dated 4/30/2009 1:01:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> ra_stein at telus.net writes:
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is a German equivalent of the Polish surname
>> POBORSKI?
>>
>> I have a Gertrude Poborski married Michael Steinke (sometimes recorded as
>> Kaminski in Polish church records) living in Gawrony, a German community,
>> in the early to mid 1800's. They were Lutherans.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Dick Stein
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