[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] surnames

[Rose Ingram]

Lloyd,

If you will look in the SGGEE pedigree database, you will see that Hartmann Friedrich (b. 1818) married Caroline Koberstein (b. 1821) in Konstantynow Evangelical church on 14th Jan. 1840.

Is your great grandfather of child of this couple who married a woman with a name similar to his mother?

I'm of the same mind as Jerry, I am suspicious of the translation of your document, or perhaps it was written in a manner different from what we are used to.

Rose Ingram
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Frank 
  To: Lloyd Friedrick 
  Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] surnames


  My first thought on the name change is this - was your great grandfather actually named Hartmann Friedrich? Though unusual, I have seen Hartmann as a given name. How reliable is the translation of your document?

  As for Jews, they did not begin to use surnames until mandated to do so by Napoleon in the late 1700s. So neither of your surnames would be classed as common among Jews since they would only have been in existence for 50-60 years. It is far more likely that a Jew adapted or adopted your noted surnames than vice versa.


  Jerry


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Lloyd Friedrick <lloydfriedrick at telus.net>
  Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:29 pm
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] surnames
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

  > My Great Grandfather {Friedrich Hartmann } [born 1841, and 
  > married in Dubno] used the surname Hartmann. He married Caroline 
  > Kupferstein. 
  > 
  > Were these common Jewish family names at this time ?
  > 
  > Strangely, they recorded their children with the surname Friedrich.
  > 
  > Lloyd Friedrick on Vancouver's Island, British Columbia
  > 
  > 
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