[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Celagr = Ziegenhagen?

Earl.Schultz Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net
Wed Sep 16 17:06:41 PDT 2009

 I found an 1834 death of an Ewa Buchholtz, married to a Jan Buchholtz and
her maiden name was Celagrow or maybe Celagnow (left the 'ow' in).  She had
4 children and lived in Michalki.  Since I have all the Michalki records in
my database I checked to see if she was already there.  There were 2 Ewa's
married to a Jan Buchholtz and the only one that matches is an Ewa
Ziegenhagen.  The names of all 4 children match up between the two Ewa's,
their ages match and the place of residence matches.  Looks quite certain to
me that they are the same person.  How does one go from Celagr to
Ziegenhagen?  I don't know.  Checked with SGGEE's surname list and this one
is not there.  Can anyone confirm that these are one and the same name and
maybe explain the connection.

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You may find Ernestine Gerhard's birth record in the Grodziec Evangelical
church books in the Konin Archives, an affiliate of Poznan Archives.  

The Polish Archives Pradziad database indicates they have Evangelical
records to 1900.  You can contact them at the email address shown at

They will reply in Polish and will ask for a funds to be deposted into their
bank account - in Poznan.  

Rose Ingram

  From: joachim.lebedzow at t-online.de
  Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Grodziec in Poland 1860


  your infos about the parish of Grudziec were very interesting for me. I am
looking for details of my grandma Ernestine Bisswanger (birthname Gerhard
(t) widowed Jahns) born in 1889  in a small town named "Neugrunden". In the
direct neighborhood there was also a small town named "Altgrunden". She
migrated in 1914 to Germany when the WW1 broke out and she died in 1960 in
Mannheim/South-Germany. What I know from my mother was that her birthplace
must be in the near of Kalish/Russian Poland. She must be a member of the
local Lutheran parish.
  In the meantime I was told that Neugrunden must be part of Grudziec now
what indeed is not far away from Kalish and was part of the Konin area in
former times. Neugrunden should name now "Grad Nowy" and Altgrunden "Grad
  In July this year I visited Grudziec and indeed I found this two very
small colonies(only some farm building) belonging to the village of
Grudziec. I saw the catholic church you presented in your picture, but
unfortunately not he ruin of the Lutheran church.
  I wrote to the "Archivum" of Kalish also in July to get some more infos
about my grandma and her family, but did not get any answer so far.
  Can you help me please? Especially I would be interested in knowing were
her familiy migrated to. I don't think that they remained in Poland. 

  Many thanks in advance


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