[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Looking for any help on my Krueger line and locations in Russian Poland

Jerry Frank FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
Thu Dec 2 10:28:33 PST 2010


As the reply from Linda indicates, you are definitely in the right region.

You have already found Radomice and Sczczepanki (your assumption on the latter is quite right).  Morgowo is another village in the region, though a little further away, located roughly 22 km NW of Lipno.


----- Original Message -----
From: Erick Krueger <erickkrueger at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010 2:56 pm
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Looking for any help on my Krueger line and locations in Russian Poland
To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

> Hi,
> A few months back, I had posted on one of the boards @ ancestry.com,
> and Jeff Frank was kind enough to offer some thoughts and had referred
> me to this mail group.
> There are two relatives in question that I'm looking to get more
> information, and in particular, prove the next generation with more
> certainty.
> Their names are Michael Krüger and Otillie Krüger.
> Michael is my great-grandfather, and Otillie is his sister.
> Michael was born 18 Sep 1880, and passed away in 1970.
> He arrived in the USA on 14 Apr 1900, sailing on the SS 
> Frankfurt from
> Bremen to Baltimore.
> His record in the passenger manifest shows a Michel Krüger, and it
> shows that he is going to his sister, Otillie in Detroit, Michigan.
> Michael's record says that he is from "Radomice", Russia.
> He is traveling with a cousin, Eva Renwautz, as well.  
> Eva's record
> appears to say "Norgowo", but further discussions might have it be
> "Morgowo".
> The Supplement Manifest of Alien Passengers lists both of these 
> people as:
> Native Country == Russia
> Native Province == Poland
> Mother tongue == Polish
> Subject of what country == Russia
> I can locate Michael Krueger on the 1900 census in Detroit, MI, living
> in a boarding house with this same cousin.
> My records of his life from 1900 forward in time are fairly 
> good, as I
> have him in the City Directory of Detroit, MI for just about every
> year through 1922.
> Over the years in the census's, draft registrations, etc.  
> Michaelwill list himself born in Russ Poland, Poland, Germany, 
> and then he
> just starts declaring that he was born in Michigan, USA.
> When Michael gets married in 1903 (to an Ida Oestreich), he states
> that his parents names are David Krueger and Anna 
> Paul.   The woman
> that he married was of strong Lutheran decent; which leads me to
> believe that Michael is as well.
> On Michael's Social Security SS-5, he states that his parents are
> David Krueger and Anna Paul.  He also states he was born in 
> Michigan.
> Best we can tell, Michael never formally Naturalized.  It 
> appears that
> at some point during his life, he just started telling people he was
> born in Michigan and went on.
> ------
> Otillie Krueger was born 6 Dec 1876 (perhaps 6 dec 1877 per some 
> documents).Otillie Krueger got married in 1901 (in Detroit, MI 
> to Herman
> Scharlinski).  It's written on the register of marriages 
> that her
> parents were Peter Krueger and Anna Paul.  However, on her 
> SS-5 (which
> was lost and an OAC-790 sent instead), shows that she was born in
> Germany, and that her parents were David Krueger and Anna Paul.
> I can track Otillie's life from 1901 forward in Detroit, but I haven't
> located her in 1900, although Michael's passenger manifest implies
> she's already there since he and the cousin were going to 
> her.   I do
> know that Michael lived with his sister for a while in the early 1900s
> and she was instrumental in getting him started here in the USA.
> I've been looking at passenger manifests for Otillie Krueger, 
> and have
> a couple of possibilities in 1899, but don't know with certainty which
> may be correct. (census data points to 1899 for arrival).
> One option is arriving on 9 Apr 1899 on the Phoenicia.  On 
> that one,
> it states she is from Neu Czerkow, Russia, and is going to Chicago
> with a brother who is also on the ship (Emil Krueger).
> The other option is arriving 4 May 1899 on the HH Meier.  
> On that one,
> it states she is from Scepanki, Russia, but is going to a
> brother-in-law in NJ (which obivously doesn't fit with Detroit
> either).
> -----
> So, I've been trying to use the places of last residence to
> triangulate where Michael might have lived.  I know that 
> there is more
> than one Radomice in Poland, but the one that seemed likely (to 
> me) is
> the one outside of Lipno.   I've been guessing that 
> Scepanki might be
> a mis-spelling of Sczczepanki, Poland; which is also close to that
> Radomice and Lipno.  I'm assuming that the cousin couldn't 
> have lived
> too far away in that day and time since they travelled together, so
> have been looking for the Norgowo/Morgowo in that same area.
> There is rumor that Michael and Otillie had another brother that came
> over and was in the Detroit area (at least briefly), but no one 
> in the
> family really knows.
> I would love to find some sort of information/validation of exactly
> where Michael/Otillie came from, and even better would be to put more
> information about their parents.  For example, I have no B-
> M-D
> information for either parent -- just names from the marriage register
> and SS-5's of Michael and Otillie, and would be grateful for any
> information out there.
> I'd definitely appreciate any help folks might have.
> Thanks much for your time,
> Erick Krueger
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