[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 80, Issue 11
Tony & Magda
mag_ton at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 11 14:08:42 PST 2010
Thanks for Plock's Nowe Boryszewo link . FERCHAU is a name I see frequently on the records there . My Ziemer / Abraham family and direct ancestor was born and bapized there before they moved onward to Zambrow region in 1850's.
Magda
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Volhynia place names (Dave Proper)
2. Family search in Plock region (Jerry Frank)
3. Re: Family search in Plock region (Gary Warner)
4. Re: Family search in Plock region (Siegfried Friedrich)
5. Re: Family search in Plock region (Siegfried Friedrich)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:04:34 -0800
From: "Dave Proper" <dproper at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia place names
To: "'Jerry Frank'" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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Jerry,
Thanks for the tip! I finally had time to sit down and give this a try. The
"Pastor's path" showed the next village to be Glueckstal so I can feel
confident that my initial section Bolarka #4 (the closest of the six) is
most likely the correct one.
Dave Proper
_____
From: Jerry Frank [mailto:FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:14 AM
To: Dave Proper
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia place names
Dave,
Probably the best way to figure this out is by using our "Route of the
Pastor" search function at http://www.sggee.org/members/StPeteByRoute
(Members Only).
The pastor would travel from village to village collecting info from the
local Kantor. These villages would be in close proximity to each other. By
looking at which villages were visited in sequence, and then looking on the
map for that grouping, you will probably be able to figure out which is the
correct Bolarka.
Jerry Frank
Calgary, AB
Dave Proper wrote:
Hi All,
I have started the process of standardizing my Polish and Volhynian place
names according to the new SGGEE Guidelines for places. Thus far I have done
the easy ones and now am getting to the last few that are much harder to
resolve. My current quandary is the all-to-common multiple place names that
can exist with in a very small area. Case-in-point:
I have a Gustave Adolph Kugler, b. 29 Oct 1871. Before it was easy - he was
simply born in Bolarka, Volhynia (from the St Petersburg Consistory
records). Now the gazetteer for Volhynia presents me with six choices to
nail down the specific location:
1)Bolarka (Bialogrodka/Bilohorodka), Dubno, Rivne, Russian Empire (Ukraine)
501837 253247
2)Bolarka (Sosnowa-Bolarka/Vesnianka), Chervonoarmiisk, Zhytomyr, Russian
Empire (Ukraine) 503411 281616
3)Bolarka-Radecka (Radziecka-Bolarka/Radetska Boliarka), Chervonoarmiisk,
Zhytomyr, Russian Empire (Ukraine) 503524 281513
4)Boljarka (Balarka/Boliarka), Novohrad-Volynskyi, Zhytomyr, Russian Empire
(Ukraine) 503030 274530
5)Boljarka (Bolarka Stara/Boliarka), Zhytomyr, Zhytomyr, Russian Empire
(Ukraine) 501938 282127
6)Boljarka (Bolarka-Prosiecka/Boliarka), Yemilchyne, Zhytomyr, Russian
Empire (Ukraine) 505100 273900
My first thought was "where were his siblings born?" An older brother, a
younger sister and two younger brothers were all born in Glueckstal (all
from the St Petes records). So which of the Bolarka's is the closest to
Glueckstal and most likely of the six? That results in a list like this:
#4 - 29 km
#5 - 42 km
#2 - 50 km
#3 - 51 km
#6 - 67 km
#1 - 171 km
So now I am leaning towards #4 but still looking for something further to
tie it to that place. I looked at the Volhynian parish formation list
http://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/parish_histories/VolhynianParishesDia
gram.pdf
and in the year 1871 there were four parishes - Shitomir, Kiev, Rozyszcze
and Heimtal so that doesn't seem to provide and any further refinement.
Without any further information a reasonable person would opt for Bolarka
#4. Does anyone have further insight as to how to make the selection? Or
should the option at the bottom of page 8 of the guidelines be used -
Bolarka (many found),,,Poland?
Dave Proper
p/s Thanks to Frank Stewner and the others who put in countless hours
creating these wonderfull new research tools!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 07:26:40 -0700
From: Jerry Frank <GPVListAdmin at sggee.org>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family search in Plock region
To: "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
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The following message was posted from Germany. The poster is not a
subscriber so please respond personally if you can help. His email
address is:
roland.hertes at t-online.de
Hello,
My family lived in Poland around 1800 to 1845 in the region of Plock.
One of the HERTES families migrated from Poland to the USA and Canada.
I seek information about the following families.
Buchholtz
Ferchau
Hertes
Richert
With friendly greetings,
Roland Hertes
----------------------------------------------------
Hallo,
meine Familie war von etwa 1800 - 1945 in Polen wohnhaft, und zwar
haupts?chlich im Raum Plock.
Einige Angeh?rige der Familie HERTES sind von Polen aus nach USA und
Canada ausgewandert.
Ich suche Informationen ?ber folgende Familien:
BUCHHOLTZ
FERCHAU,
HERTES
RICHERT
Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Roland (Hertes)
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:32:53 -0800
From: Gary Warner <gary at warnerengineering.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family search in Plock region
To: Jerry Frank <GPVListAdmin at sggee.org>
Cc: "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <4B4B52B5.4050305 at warnerengineering.com>
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To all,
We have the Heinrich Johann Hertes family from Plock in our Master
Pedigree database. Three of the children marry into Fercho, and
Richert families. Since this data is also in the SGGEE001 file, I
expect that the records that we have are more numerous than just this
one family. I will contact Roland separately.
Gary Warner
On 1/11/2010 6:26 AM, Jerry Frank wrote:
> The following message was posted from Germany. The poster is not a
> subscriber so please respond personally if you can help. His email
> address is:
>
> roland.hertes at t-online.de
>
> Hello,
>
> My family lived in Poland around 1800 to 1845 in the region of Plock.
> One of the HERTES families migrated from Poland to the USA and Canada.
> I seek information about the following families.
>
> Buchholtz
> Ferchau
> Hertes
> Richert
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Roland Hertes
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Hallo,
>
> meine Familie war von etwa 1800 - 1945 in Polen wohnhaft, und zwar
> haupts?chlich im Raum Plock.
> Einige Angeh?rige der Familie HERTES sind von Polen aus nach USA und
> Canada ausgewandert.
>
> Ich suche Informationen ?ber folgende Familien:
>
> BUCHHOLTZ
> FERCHAU,
> HERTES
> RICHERT
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> Roland (Hertes)
>
>
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> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:15:10 +0100
From: Siegfried Friedrich <siegfried at familie-friedrich.de>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family search in Plock region
Cc: Roland Hertes <roland.hertes at t-online.de>, Jerry Frank
<GPVListAdmin at sggee.org>, "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <4B4B78BE.8030205 at familie-friedrich.de>
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Hello Roland,
I've found the village chronicle of Nowe Boryszewo (Tiefenbach), Plock,
from Franz Lackner. Here you can read something about the people, which
settled in 1824 and lived there since 1945.
for example: BUCHHOLTZ und FERCHAU.
I found it, because I search for FRIEDRICH. I'm further interested.
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Documents/VillageChronicles.htm
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Documents/LacknerChronik.pdf
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Documents/NoweBoryszewo_D.htm
Best regards
Siegfried (FRIEDRICH)
Gary Warner schrieb:
> To all,
>
> We have the Heinrich Johann Hertes family from Plock in our Master
> Pedigree database. Three of the children marry into Fercho, and
> Richert families. Since this data is also in the SGGEE001 file, I
> expect that the records that we have are more numerous than just this
> one family. I will contact Roland separately.
>
> Gary Warner
>
> On 1/11/2010 6:26 AM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>
>> The following message was posted from Germany. The poster is not a
>> subscriber so please respond personally if you can help. His email
>> address is:
>>
>> roland.hertes at t-online.de
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My family lived in Poland around 1800 to 1845 in the region of Plock.
>> One of the HERTES families migrated from Poland to the USA and Canada.
>> I seek information about the following families.
>>
>> Buchholtz
>> Ferchau
>> Hertes
>> Richert
>>
>> With friendly greetings,
>>
>> Roland Hertes
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Hallo,
>>
>> meine Familie war von etwa 1800 - 1945 in Polen wohnhaft, und zwar
>> haupts?chlich im Raum Plock.
>> Einige Angeh?rige der Familie HERTES sind von Polen aus nach USA und
>> Canada ausgewandert.
>>
>> Ich suche Informationen ?ber folgende Familien:
>>
>> BUCHHOLTZ
>> FERCHAU,
>> HERTES
>> RICHERT
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>> Roland (Hertes)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
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>>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:23:24 +0100
From: Siegfried Friedrich <siegfried at familie-friedrich.de>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Family search in Plock region
To: ML-Ger-Pol-Mailliste <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID: <4B4B7AAC.7060907 at familie-friedrich.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
Hello Roland,
I've found the village chronicle of Nowe Boryszewo (Tiefenbach), Plock,
from Franz Lackner. Here you can read something about the people, which
settled in 1824 and lived there since 1945.
for example: BUCHHOLTZ und FERCHAU.
I found it, because I search for FRIEDRICH. I'm further interested.
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Documents/VillageChronicles.htm
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Documents/LacknerChronik.pdf
http://www.upstreamvistula.org/Documents/NoweBoryszewo_D.htm
Best regards
Siegfried (FRIEDRICH)
Gary Warner schrieb:
> To all,
>
> We have the Heinrich Johann Hertes family from Plock in our Master
> Pedigree database. Three of the children marry into Fercho, and
> Richert families. Since this data is also in the SGGEE001 file, I
> expect that the records that we have are more numerous than just this
> one family. I will contact Roland separately.
>
> Gary Warner
>
> On 1/11/2010 6:26 AM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>
>> The following message was posted from Germany. The poster is not a
>> subscriber so please respond personally if you can help. His email
>> address is:
>>
>> roland.hertes at t-online.de
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> My family lived in Poland around 1800 to 1845 in the region of Plock.
>> One of the HERTES families migrated from Poland to the USA and Canada.
>> I seek information about the following families.
>>
>> Buchholtz
>> Ferchau
>> Hertes
>> Richert
>>
>> With friendly greetings,
>>
>> Roland Hertes
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Hallo,
>>
>> meine Familie war von etwa 1800 - 1945 in Polen wohnhaft, und zwar
>> haupts?chlich im Raum Plock.
>> Einige Angeh?rige der Familie HERTES sind von Polen aus nach USA und
>> Canada ausgewandert.
>>
>> Ich suche Informationen ?ber folgende Familien:
>>
>> BUCHHOLTZ
>> FERCHAU,
>> HERTES
>> RICHERT
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>> Roland (Hertes)
>>
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