[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Origin of given ame ILSE

[Dietmar Hiller]

Hi,

as already said by others, "willse" stands for "will sie" (wants her).
It is German slang, mostly spoken around Berlin, but the rhyme was
popular all over Germany and I would not deduce an origin from it.
It is definitely no type, it just would not work "Ilse ... will sie".

> > (I recall my teacher explaining that there were many  dozens of 
> > dialects  of German due to the widely spread German speakers  from Russia, to 
> > Germany.
It is true that there are more German slangs than villages in Germany (as some say). 
Nevertheless, there is only one "high German", so official German language, which a school should teach, at least for Germany.
Austria and Switzerland have their own modifications.

   Dietmar

Am Freitag, den 04.06.2010, 23:29 -0400 schrieb Christel Peebles:
> Hi,
> 1)The se is slang or a typo I don’t know.  Ilse is a woman or girl (feminine
> ) A name or object is a noun. You write all the time the gender ( der
> masculine , die feminine and das neuter.)in front and with capital letter.
> The pronoun is er,sie and es.
> I hope that will help you, if not I try to explain it a little better.
> Christel Peebles
> 
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> 
>  
> After these many amusing musings,   I need to have someone  explain what
> Google translate can't.    
>    1)   Is the 'se' in the penultimate line  'slang'  for 'sie'?   or a 
> continuing typo?
>    2)   Is the 'willse' in the middle line some  colloquialism for 'will 
> sie'?  
> if so,  why is one  feminine and he other neuter?
>  
>   Obviously,  not having used my introduction to German from  nearly 60
>    years ago,  and constantly having my grandmother  telling me the school
> was teaching it wrong (wrong  pronunciations!),  mein Deutsch ist  jetzt 
> erschossen.
>     (I recall my teacher explaining that there were many  dozens of 
> dialects  
>      of German due to the widely spread German speakers  from Russia, to 
> Germany.
>  
> Bob
> 
>  
> 
> In a message dated 06/04/10 03:24:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> joachim.lebedzow at t-online.de writes:
> 
> Dear all,
> according to my  knowledges it continues:
> "Ilse Bilse, keiner willse.
> Kam der Koch,  nahm se doch.
> Steckt sie in das  Ofenloch"
> 
> Regards
> Joachim
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> Subject: Re:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Origin of given ame ILSE
> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010  17:51:59 +0200
> From: Günther Böhm <GHBoehm at ish.de>
> To:  Wolhynien-Liste <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> 
> Rita  Lyster schrieb:
> >
> > Just as a random note, has anyone heard of the  rhyme: Ilse, Ilse, 
> > keiner wilse? !!
> >
> 
> Hello Rita,
> yes  I know it. In full, it reads:
> 
> "Ilse Bilse, keiner willse.
> Kam der  Koch, nahm se  doch."
> 
> Günther
> 
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