[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 88, Issue 13

BruceB2332 at aol.com BruceB2332 at aol.com
Sat Sep 25 19:14:17 PDT 2010


I AM trying to research a family of konstantin knoll who emigrated to  
vancouverk british columbia.  any help you could give me would be greatly  
appreciated.  my gRANDMOTHER WAS EMMA NEE KNULL BUELOW.
SHE WAS BORN IN ELIZABETHPOL IN 1891,
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP.
SINCERELY, BRUCE BRAUN
 
In a message dated 9/25/2010 12:03:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org writes:

Send  Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list submissions to
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via  the World Wide Web, visit
http://eclipse.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
or, via  email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
ger-poland-volhynia-request at eclipse.sggee.org

You can reach the person  managing the list at
ger-poland-volhynia-owner at eclipse.sggee.org

When replying, please edit  your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of  Ger-Poland-Volhynia digest..."


Today's Topics:

1. HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH, REINAS, BABLITZ, OTTO,
WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta Canada &  Washington
state (Katherine Jeffrey)
2. Re: HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH, REINAS,    BABLITZ,  OTTO,
WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta Canada  & Washington
state (Richard Stein)
3. Re: HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH, REINAS, BABLITZ, OTTO,
WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta Canada &  Washington
state (Katherine Jeffrey)
4. Re: WINTERs and HAUSCH families of Zhitomir   priorto  1904
(John  Rauchert)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message:  1
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:32:03 -1000
From: Katherine Jeffrey  <katherinemjeffrey at gmail.com>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH, REINAS,
BABLITZ, OTTO,  WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta Canada &
Washington state
To:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Message-ID:
<AANLkTinxi+uz1LArrFN4aXE38YbWLmqGChPXgmyZWEQb at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm trying to research these related  families.  I have some stories in
letters from an aunt who wanted to  preserve our family history.  The 
letters
were written over a ten year  period, full of interesting details- mostly
unsourced.  I took the  letters and plugged what I could into
ancestry.comand into the Washington  state digital archives (half the
family emigrated to
Canada, half to  Washington;) my paternal greatgrandparents and
grandparents(HAMMERMEISTERs)  w/their children emigrated from Prussia in the
1890s-1904 to Canada, then  to Washington about 1920. Johann
HAMMERMEISTER(1882-1953) and Caroline  HAMMERMEISTER(1891-1969) married in
Ellerslie, Alta 20 Oct 1907.   Robert SCHIEWE, Dan RIENAS, Julianna
HAMMERMEISTER and Lydia WINTER signed  it along w/Father LOEB.  Aside from
the pastor, they were all related  somehow (REINAS is the maiden name of
Johann HAMMERMEISTER's mother; A  SCHIEWE married a niece of the couple
later.)  Carolina's sisters were  Lydia WINTER OTTO(1890-?after 1969) and
Wanda WINTER BABLITZ(1893-1976) who  both lived in Bruce, Alberta in 1969,
and a younger sister Locadia WINTER  WINKELMAN(1898-1920) who died in Vader,
WA.  Their mother, Louise  HANSCH WINTER was a BABLITZ for a brief period of
time, then resumed the  last name WINTER.  She lived with Lydia and Peter
OTTO in 1912 at the  time of the census in Strathcona, and reportedly lived
with Wanda BABLITZ's  family after living with the OTTOs.  Louise had one
more child in  Canada: Edward BABLITZ(1907-?) While these people were in
Canada, the rest  of the WINTERs and HANSCHs emigrated to the USA.   Wilhelm
WINTER(1835-1910) and Rosalia BIEDINGER(1839-1925; names verified  fr/their
daughter's death certificates) emigrated with their daughter  Julianna 
WINTER
KROLL's(1875-1954) family.  First they lived in  Berrien, MI, then moved to
WA by way of Racine WI.  Later Peter's  other sister(spelled
Emilie/Emilia/Amelia1862-1941) who had married  Louise's brother
(August1870-?) and had a large family in Volhynia moved to  the USA. There
were 2 other brothers who remained in Volhynia: Adam HANSCH  had a paper
factory which was prosperous until WW2 when the germans took  his factory.
Stephen HANSCH was a Lutheran/Baptist preacher who was taken  away to 
Siberia
and starved.  (I don't know for sure when these events  occurred, and I am
only guessing their last names; my aunt's letters are  puzzles in places.) I
guess I should send for microfilm and review the  whole file for clues.  If
these family names sound familiar to anyone  else with german russian
relatives in Alberta Canada or anywhere else, I'll  be happy to share the
notes about the different branches. Johann  HAMMERMEISTERs(1882-1953) birth
location is Welingen, Russia(Wolhynen?) and  his father's is Compreva Van
Jofske, Poland(how it's written on his US  Naturalization papers.)  Maiden
names of wives on that side were  Amelia REINAS(1862-1940) whose parents 
were
Ludwig REINAS and _ KARWALSKY  (I am uncertain I have spelled these peoples'
last names correctly) and the  generation before either BARTH or KERNS.  Any
help, any clues, any  leads...  Whether in Canada or in Volhynia, or even
earlier in Poland,  I would be very grateful for any help about where and 
how
to look.   Thank you for your time and help, Katherine  Jeffrey


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date:  Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:05:37 -0600
From: "Richard Stein"  <ra_stein at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH,
REINAS, BABLITZ, OTTO,   WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta
Canada &  Washington state
To: "Katherine Jeffrey"  <katherinemjeffrey at gmail.com>,
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID:  <4AA59350F5FB4D8B9C4C34F64E5A5A45 at RichardPC>
Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Katharine,
The rural history book South Edmonton  Saga contains the story of Johann 
Hammermeister and his wife Amelia  Renas.  They immigrated to the Ellerslie 
district in 1894 and later  moved to Tacoma, Washington.  There are also 
stories of  their  son Emil and Louise (Vogel) Hammermeister and grandson 
Herbert and Gladys  (Gutknecht) Hammermeister.  There are also photos.

Perhaps you  already have these articles.  If not, I will be glad to scan 
the 
4  pages and send them to you by e-mail.

Dick Stein
----- Original  Message ----- 
From: "Katherine Jeffrey"  <katherinemjeffrey at gmail.com>
To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, September 24,  2010 2:32 PM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH,  REINAS, 
BABLITZ, OTTO, WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta Canada  & 
Washington 
state


> I'm trying to research these  related families.  I have some stories in
> letters from an aunt  who wanted to preserve our family history.  The 
> letters
>  were written over a ten year period, full of interesting details-  mostly
> unsourced.  I took the letters and plugged what I could  into
> ancestry.comand into the Washington state digital archives (half  the
> family emigrated to
> Canada, half to Washington;) my  paternal greatgrandparents and
> grandparents(HAMMERMEISTERs) w/their  children emigrated from Prussia in 
> the
> 1890s-1904 to Canada,  then to Washington about 1920. Johann
> HAMMERMEISTER(1882-1953) and  Caroline HAMMERMEISTER(1891-1969) married in
> Ellerslie, Alta 20 Oct  1907.  Robert SCHIEWE, Dan RIENAS, Julianna
> HAMMERMEISTER and  Lydia WINTER signed it along w/Father LOEB.  Aside from
> the  pastor, they were all related somehow (REINAS is the maiden name of
>  Johann HAMMERMEISTER's mother; A SCHIEWE married a niece of the couple
>  later.)  Carolina's sisters were Lydia WINTER OTTO(1890-?after 1969)  and
> Wanda WINTER BABLITZ(1893-1976) who both lived in Bruce, Alberta  in 1969,
> and a younger sister Locadia WINTER WINKELMAN(1898-1920) who  died in 
> Vader,
> WA.  Their mother, Louise HANSCH WINTER  was a BABLITZ for a brief period 
> of
> time, then resumed the  last name WINTER.  She lived with Lydia and Peter
> OTTO in 1912 at  the time of the census in Strathcona, and reportedly 
lived
> with Wanda  BABLITZ's family after living with the OTTOs.  Louise had one
>  more child in Canada: Edward BABLITZ(1907-?) While these people were  in
> Canada, the rest of the WINTERs and HANSCHs emigrated to the  USA.  
Wilhelm
> WINTER(1835-1910) and Rosalia BIEDINGER(1839-1925;  names verified 
fr/their
> daughter's death certificates) emigrated with  their daughter Julianna 
> WINTER
> KROLL's(1875-1954)  family.  First they lived in Berrien, MI, then moved 
to
> WA by way  of Racine WI.  Later Peter's other sister(spelled
>  Emilie/Emilia/Amelia1862-1941) who had married Louise's brother
>  (August1870-?) and had a large family in Volhynia moved to the USA.  
There
> were 2 other brothers who remained in Volhynia: Adam HANSCH had  a paper
> factory which was prosperous until WW2 when the germans took  his factory.
> Stephen HANSCH was a Lutheran/Baptist preacher who was  taken away to 
> Siberia
> and starved.  (I don't know for  sure when these events occurred, and I am
> only guessing their last  names; my aunt's letters are puzzles in 
places.) 
> I
> guess I  should send for microfilm and review the whole file for clues.   
If
> these family names sound familiar to anyone else with german  russian
> relatives in Alberta Canada or anywhere else, I'll be happy to  share the
> notes about the different branches. Johann  HAMMERMEISTERs(1882-1953) 
birth
> location is Welingen,  Russia(Wolhynen?) and his father's is Compreva Van
> Jofske, Poland(how  it's written on his US Naturalization papers.)  Maiden
> names of  wives on that side were Amelia REINAS(1862-1940) whose parents 
>  were
> Ludwig REINAS and _ KARWALSKY (I am uncertain I have spelled  these 
> peoples'
> last names correctly) and the generation  before either BARTH or KERNS. 
> Any
> help, any clues, any  leads...  Whether in Canada or in Volhynia, or even
> earlier in  Poland, I would be very grateful for any help about where and 
>  how
> to look.  Thank you for your time and help, Katherine  Jeffrey
> _______________________________________________
>  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
> Society for German  Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
> Mailing list info at  http://www.sggee.org/communicate/mailing_list
>  



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Fri,  24 Sep 2010 11:28:24 -1000
From: Katherine Jeffrey  <katherinemjeffrey at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER, HANSCH,
REINAS, BABLITZ, OTTO,  WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to Alberta
Canada &  Washington state
To: Richard Stein <ra_stein at telus.net>
Cc:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Message-ID:
<AANLkTik5BbsO_-Odd6rGhXkpAz4jGdi5xZZW+jnO_7y5 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I do have a copy of the pages, but the  pages with the photos are scanned so
that the text closest to the binding  is in a shadow.  Would you be willing
to try scanning those pages for  me, please?  By any chance, are there any
entries for the extended  family?

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Richard Stein  <ra_stein at telus.net> wrote:

> Katharine,
> The rural  history book South Edmonton Saga contains the story of Johann
>  Hammermeister and his wife Amelia Renas.  They immigrated to the  
Ellerslie
> district in 1894 and later moved to Tacoma,  Washington.  There are also
> stories of  their son Emil and  Louise (Vogel) Hammermeister and grandson
> Herbert and Gladys  (Gutknecht) Hammermeister.  There are also photos.
>
>  Perhaps you already have these articles.  If not, I will be glad to  scan
> the 4 pages and send them to you by e-mail.
>
> Dick  Stein
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Jeffrey"  <
> katherinemjeffrey at gmail.com>
> To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Sent: Friday, September  24, 2010 2:32 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] HAMMERMEISTER, WINTER,  HANSCH, REINAS,
> BABLITZ, OTTO, WINKELMAN families fr/Volhynia to  Alberta Canada & 
Washington
> state
>
>
>   I'm trying to research these related families.  I have some stories  in
>> letters from an aunt who wanted to preserve our family  history.  The
>> letters
>> were written over a ten  year period, full of interesting details- mostly
>> unsourced.   I took the letters and plugged what I could into
>> ancestry.comand  into the Washington state digital archives (half the
>>
>>  family emigrated to
>> Canada, half to Washington;) my paternal  greatgrandparents and
>> grandparents(HAMMERMEISTERs) w/their  children emigrated from Prussia in
>> the
>> 1890s-1904 to  Canada, then to Washington about 1920. Johann
>>  HAMMERMEISTER(1882-1953) and Caroline HAMMERMEISTER(1891-1969) married  
in
>> Ellerslie, Alta 20 Oct 1907.  Robert SCHIEWE, Dan RIENAS,  Julianna
>> HAMMERMEISTER and Lydia WINTER signed it along w/Father  LOEB.  Aside 
from
>> the pastor, they were all related somehow  (REINAS is the maiden name of
>> Johann HAMMERMEISTER's mother; A  SCHIEWE married a niece of the couple
>> later.)  Carolina's  sisters were Lydia WINTER OTTO(1890-?after 1969) and
>> Wanda WINTER   BABLITZ(1893-1976) who both lived in Bruce, Alberta in 
1969,
>> and a  younger sister Locadia WINTER WINKELMAN(1898-1920) who died in
>>  Vader,
>> WA.  Their mother, Louise HANSCH WINTER was a BABLITZ  for a brief period
>> of
>> time, then resumed the last name  WINTER.  She lived with Lydia and Peter
>> OTTO in 1912 at the  time of the census in Strathcona, and reportedly 
lived
>> with Wanda  BABLITZ's family after living with the OTTOs.  Louise had one
>>  more child in Canada: Edward BABLITZ(1907-?) While these people were  in
>> Canada, the rest of the WINTERs and HANSCHs emigrated to the  USA.  
Wilhelm
>> WINTER(1835-1910) and Rosalia  BIEDINGER(1839-1925; names verified 
fr/their
>> daughter's death  certificates) emigrated with their daughter Julianna
>>  WINTER
>> KROLL's(1875-1954) family.  First they lived in  Berrien, MI, then moved 
to
>> WA by way of Racine WI.  Later  Peter's other sister(spelled
>> Emilie/Emilia/Amelia1862-1941) who  had married Louise's brother
>> (August1870-?) and had a large family  in Volhynia moved to the USA. 
There
>> were 2 other brothers who  remained in Volhynia: Adam HANSCH had a paper
>> factory which was  prosperous until WW2 when the germans took his 
factory.
>> Stephen  HANSCH was a Lutheran/Baptist preacher who was taken away to
>>  Siberia
>> and starved.  (I don't know for sure when these  events occurred, and I 
am
>> only guessing their last names; my  aunt's letters are puzzles in 
places.)
>> I
>> guess I  should send for microfilm and review the whole file for clues.  
 If
>> these family names sound familiar to anyone else with german  russian
>> relatives in Alberta Canada or anywhere else, I'll be  happy to share the
>> notes about the different branches. Johann  HAMMERMEISTERs(1882-1953) 
birth
>> location is Welingen,  Russia(Wolhynen?) and his father's is Compreva Van
>> Jofske,  Poland(how it's written on his US Naturalization papers.)   
Maiden
>> names of wives on that side were Amelia REINAS(1862-1940)  whose parents
>> were
>> Ludwig REINAS and _ KARWALSKY (I am  uncertain I have spelled these
>> peoples'
>> last names  correctly) and the generation before either BARTH or KERNS. 
Any
>>  help, any clues, any leads...  Whether in Canada or in Volhynia, or  
even
>> earlier in Poland, I would be very grateful for any help  about where and
>> how
>> to look.  Thank you for your  time and help, Katherine Jeffrey
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German  Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info  at  http://www.sggee.org/communicate/mailing_list
>>
>>
>


------------------------------

Message:  4
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:56:57 -0600
From: "John Rauchert"  <jfrauchert at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] WINTERs and  HAUSCH families of
Zhitomir    priorto 1904
To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID:  <cb5063$916ol2 at pd3mo1so-svcs.prod.shaw.ca>
Content-Type:  text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I would tend to agree with  Dick that we may be looking at two different
Wilhelm Winter Families unless  you have independent evidence to the 
contrary
(outside of the St. Pete  Records).

One in Zhitomir Parish

Births
Winter Julianna 18  Sep 1875 Marianin Zhitomir Wilhelm Rosalie Biedinger
1884069-2/1876 580 521  

Winter Adolf 13 Dec 1882 Friedensdorf  Zhitomir Emilie Winter  
1895614-3/1883
434 502 " Illegitimate, father's name not given"  

Marriages
Winter Peter 27 Mar 1885 Zhitomir Zhitomir Hansch Luise  1897692/1 179 98

Hausch August 13 May 1885 Zhitomir Zhitomir Winter  Emilie 1897692/1 180 166


One in Rozyszcze

Winter Wilhelm 22  Dec 1877 Leshachne? Rozyszcze Wilhelm Rosina Werner
1884071-1/1877 550 64  

Winter Gustav 15 Dec 1884 Nadeshdapol Rozyszcze Wilhelm Rosalie  Werner
2380019/1884 220 1946 

Winter Michael 08 Nov 1878 Leschachow?  Rozyszcze Wilhelm Rosine Wegner
1895627-2/1879 640 136 

Winter  Michael 30 Jan 1880 Rozyszcze Lezachow Wilhelm Rosalie 1897588/2 372
46 Age  1 year. Born at Lezachow


There is a Marianin and Friedensdorf close  together on Jerry's maps but 
they
are in Nowograd-Wolhynsk  Parish.

Maybe someone on the list can better explain this or locate  another set of
locations in Zhitomir Parish.

John F. Rauchert,  Calgary, Alberta

-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010  19:21:51 -0600
From: "Richard Stein" <ra_stein at telus.net>
Subject:  Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] WINTERs and HAUSCH families of
Zhitomir    priorto 1904
To: "Katherine Jeffrey"  <katherinemjeffrey at gmail.com>,
<ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Message-ID:  <6AB1BFE8D6C14C4E8B819095EC450A30 at RichardPC>
Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Katharine,

I picked up the mention of  Strathcona, Alberta because I have an interest 
in

that area.   However, in the rural history book that covers Strathcona 
there 
is no  mention of the families you list.  I also looked them up in the 
SGGEE  
database for Volhynia (St. Petersburg).  Are you sure your Wilhelm  Winter 
family moved from Zhitomir parish to Leschachow in Rozyszcze  parish.  The 
birth record of Julianna Winter 1875 gives the parents  as Wilhelm Winter 
and

Rosalie Biedinger, whereas the birth records of  sons Wilhelm 1877 and 
Michael 1878 give the mother as Rosine Wegner for  one and Rosine Werner 
for 
the other.  And the marriages of the  children Peter Winter and Emilie 
Winter

are both back in Zhitomir in  1885.  There may be two Wilhelm Winters. 
Finally, the name Hansch can  easily be misread as Hausch, or vice versa.

The first world war  deportation to Siberia of Germans from Volhynia could 
be

an explanation  for the disappearance of families.  Many families were 
decimated by  the hardships and disease during this time, or they remained 
far away in  Siberia.

I hope this helps.
Dick  Stein




------------------------------

_______________________________________________
Ger-Poland-Volhynia  mailing list, hosted by the:
Society for German Genealogy in Eastern  Europe  http://www.sggee.org
Mailing list info at  http://www.sggee.org/listserv.html


End of Ger-Poland-Volhynia  Digest, Vol 88, Issue  13
***************************************************




More information about the Ger-Poland-Volhynia mailing list