[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] "Schmidtke und Fuhl"

Spaghettitree at aol.com Spaghettitree at aol.com
Sun Apr 17 11:19:20 PDT 2011

My computer upstaged me - wasn't finished yet!  
Lars Menk says:
Fuhl  - borrowed from German surname Fuhl from either Pfuhl (German)  
"moldy pool" or "vul" Middle High German "moldy, lazy, weak".  After 1800 -  
Höchberg, Wüerttemberg (1832 previous name was Bernstein).  
Many Schmidt varieties, but Schmidtke not included - and that is, as Otto  
states, coming from the Baltic Sea or sometimes the North Sea, and is a  
I take these definitions as arrows pointing towards clusters, and showing  
pronunciations non-German speakers might not otherwise consider -  
especially ones like Pfuhl.
In a message dated 4/17/2011 11:11:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
Spaghettitree at aol.com writes:

I suppose the name variations could be taken as straying - but I rather  
like to believe they are expanding the possibilities, which I would think  
helpful, with so many etymological changes - hope so, anyway. 
Hans Bahlow says:

Fuhl:  Low German = faul "bad, rotten;  lazy" Thid. Vule, Stettin 1352.  
Also Vul-ars, near Hildesheim 1489,  Vulebeyn, Calbe 1381.  Vulei, Cologne 
1197, Vuleworst, Danzig 1397,  Vulebrewem, Rostock 13th c. (Bresem = Brachsen, 
a fish).
Pfuhl(mann), Pfuhler:  from a dwelling place by a "Pfuhl" (quagmire)  or 
swamp, like Low German Pohlmann.  See Lachmann and  Pfützner.   Also related 
are Lehmpfuhl, Kraneppfuhl.    

Schmidtke in that exact spelling, not in there, but dances all around the  
other spellings, Schmiede(c)ke (Low German), Schmedecke, Schmädicke)  
Schmedtje,  also Low German.  

In a message dated 4/17/2011 9:36:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
otto at schienke.com writes:

"Schmidtke und Fuhl"

The surnames in themselves contain a  lot of information regarding the  
distant past.
We often find in  research the "Cluster Effect" which is similar to  
"birds of a  feather stick together" or "Blood is thicker than water."
Simply stated,  persons cleaved to their clan.  Even religious  
persuasion  differences lacked the power of genetic similarity (blood).

The  surname "Schmidtke" or Schmidt/Smith with its Low German   
diminutive suffix "ke" denoting 'little' or 'from the family of', is  a  
finger pointing to the Baltic or North Sea coast. At times we  see it  
spelled in plural as Schmidts'ke indicating a Frisian/Lower  Saxon  
manner of writing it, indicating 'from the Schmidt's  family'.

Schmidtke is Frisian/Lower Saxon as is Fuhl.  One  indicates a  
blacksmith, 'kowal' in the Polish language and  translated as 'Kowal- 
ski'  which differs because it indicates  'from the estate of the Kowal.

Fuhl is Frisian/Lower Saxon - Its  meaning is 'fowl' or 'fowler', an  
individual engaged perhaps in  the poultry business. A Polish  
translation of the surname may also  exist.

The surnames Schmidt and Fuhl sound very similar to our  present day  
spellings of Smith and Fowl because the Frisian  language is still the  
closest language to the English language of  today.

. . .   Otto
" The Zen moment..." wk. of January 01, 2011-
"Everything . . .   isasis"

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