[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Chicago

DANWWAGNER at aol.com DANWWAGNER at aol.com
Tue Oct 11 05:23:06 PDT 2011

Let me add to this thread on Germans from Russia/Poland/Prussia to  Chicago.
My Grandfather (Gustav Wagner, born 1885 in Redufka, which I think is the  
same as Retowka, Volhynia) immigrated with a "cousin" (actually nephew, Emil 
 Weiman) to arrive in Chicago in February 1910.  Gus then hosted his father 
 (Adam Wagner, born about 1847 in Vincentinowka) who visited in August 
1910; his  brother (Christian Wagner, born 1882 in Retowka) who arrived in March 
1910 and  worked in Chicago for a couple years; another brother (Heinrich  
Wagner, born 1874 in Retowka) who arrived in Feb 1911 and also worked in  
Chicago for a couple years; and a third brother (Adam, Jr, born 1889  in 
Retowka) who arrived in May 1912 and worked in Chicago until killed in an  
accident in 1915.  
Grampa Gus returned to Elsenau, Germany, twice in 1914, the second  time 
bringing back to Chicago Hulda Bansen (born 1893 in Roschischtsche) whom he  
married in Chicago five days after their arrival.  Brothers Heinrich and  
Christian had wives and children back in Volhynia, so they returned there  
after saving some money.  Both brothers were they caught up in WWI and  were 
drafted into the German and Russian armies respectively.  They  eventually 
immigrated with their families to Edmonton, Canada, in 1927.
Many of our family members who lived in Chicago were buried in St. Luke's  
(formerly St. Lucas) Cemetery, 1500 West Belmont Avenue,  Chicago.  The 
cemetery is on the edge of an ethnic neighborhood of  Germans and Poles, and the 
cemetery helped me find three graves and gave me  their file information 
for free.
My ancestors came to America from Bremen to Baltimore or Philadelphia,  
from Hamburg to New York, or from an unknown port of departure through Santos,  
Brazil (undoubtedly visiting family there while enroute to Chicago).   
Adam, Sr. came to New York in 1910, and Gus and Hulda came through  Ellis Island 
in 1914.  
On or near Drake Avenue, on Chicago's north side where my family lived, are 
 two Lutheran churches.  However, one was originally a Swedish Lutheran  
church.  The other (originally a German Lutheran church) gave me some  
information on my grandparents' wedding there in 1914.
I would love to hear from anyone who thinks we may be related.  I  would 
also love to hear from anyone with a connection to Elsenau, Germany (not  far 
from Berlin), as I wonder if this might be our ancestral village before  my 
family settled in Volhynia.
    Dan  Wagner               
In a message dated 10/9/2011 5:27:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jguasch at fastmail.net writes:
I will  add to this thread, immigrants to Chicago in my family.

Immigrants of  1913: William Jalosky, spouse Ophelia Gurke Jalosky. The
census of 1920 has  them in Forest Park Village, Croviso Township, boarders:
Adam Wentland and  Gottlieb Natke. Census of 1930: Chicago City, Port 30
Precinct. Boarder:  Sigismund Lemke. All appear to be from "Poland or 
My known Gurke  family lived in the Lublin area, coming from the Lipno area.
Family tells  me Ophelia was "cousin or aunt." None of my research, has
connected her to  my known Gurke family. 

William and Ophelia had two children: William  Jordan born about 1923 and
Virginia abt 1927. Internet and Ancestry  searches lead me to believe there
are no Jaloskys in the Chicago area at  this time. Virginia married Joseph
Monroe Johnson in 1927. It is possible  that they are both living or have
moved so far from the area that I am not  able to pick out a death record 
either, name too common, too many  possibilities.

I haven't found immigration records for the Jaloskys or  their boarders, 
naturalization filings for William and Ophelia.  

I feel my next step is to find enough information to obtain a  death
certificate on Ophelia, if the State of IL will allow it. She married  
Albert Lohrman. She died in Nov 1971, Hanekamp Funeral Home  handled
arrangements. I still have them to call to see if they can give me  anymore

My father's sister, Teofelia Welke, came from  Dubeczno to Halifax in 1913,
crossed the border and lived with them for a  short time in Chicago (area),
before she moved to Oregon to Ludwig Jesse  and Ottilie Gurke Jesse (Ottilie
is my grandmother's sister). I have a  couple of photos taken when Ophelia
and Virginia came to Oregon to visit.  This was after the death of Wm

That is the sum total of my  information except for the schools that 

A search  of all SGGEE databases has yielded me nothing for Jalosky or
Ophelia Gurke.  

Joyce Welke Guasch
of Springfield, OR
Researching: Welke,  Gurke,
Ratz, Lentz, Zimmerman of East Poland
Haner, Lindley, Wisbey,  Bailey,
of the US and Germany

-----Original  Message-----
From:  ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org]  On Behalf Of Sue
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:45 AM
To:  Kenneth Browne
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Chicago

Kenneth (and all),

I'm starting a  new thread related to the Chicago part of your message.

Where in  Chicago was your grandfather born?

I'm always interested in hearing  about Germans from Poland that immigrated
to Chicago. My grandmother Anna  Kopp came there from near Chodecz (powiat 
W這c豉wek) to join her brother.  My grandfather Johann Radtke came to Chicago
from Crimea to join his  cousin, Wilhelm Radtke, who had just arrived from
Poland (he was born in  the Plock area).

They were married by Pastor Martin P.F. Doermann at  Zion Evangelical
Lutheran Church in 1905, and their first four children  (including my
father) were born there.

I have addresses for them and  some relatives as well as the church; they 
all in the areas of Chicago  called South Chicago or East Side.

Susan Radtke  Eipert
seipert2 at gmail.com

On 10/5/2011 5:22 AM, Kenneth  Browne wrote:
> On 10/04/2011 10:56 PM, Albert Muth wrote:
>>  For example, my grandfather was born in the parish of Przedecz, 
>>  located in the powiat of W這c豉wek in the Warszawa gouvernate, *143 
>>  kilometers* to the West of the capital city.  While knowing the  
>> gubernia narrows your search somewhat, records are not indexed in  a
central location anywhere in Poland.
>> (Many US states have  always had centralized indices, though these are 
>> not necessarily  available online).
> In your example of your grandfather  you've raised a question that has 
> been in my mind for some time  now.
> It involves the use of the terms, "parish" "powiat" and  "gubernia" How 
> do these terms compare to the birth information  below.
> My grandfather was born in USA, Illinois, Cook County,  Chicago and I 
> even know the street address.
> His  father's birth information from the SGGEE databases
>  Surname       Given Name     Birth Day and  Month Birth Year     Event
> Place
> Lachmann   Samuel             23  Sep             1865
>      Roschischtsche
> Father               Mother                 Film or Item     Page
> Number      Register     Remarks
> Gottfried       Wolf, Julianna     1884089/1   666
>             113              Bereske
>   From what I can gather from all sources  that I've found so far 
> Samuel Lachmann was born in Roschischtsche,  Volhynia (Helenow, 
> Wolynskie, Poland).
> As near as I  can figure it comparing my great grandfather to my 
> grandfather it  would be as follows:
> Poland, Volhynia (Wolynskie), Helenow,  Roschischtsche(Rozysche
> The remark Bereske also puzzles me. Is  it a place name? Which name 
> would be the powiat. I haven't seen that  term before. Volhynia is the 
> gubernia and Roschischtsche the parish I  think :-\  .
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