[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Chicago
DANWWAGNER at aol.com
DANWWAGNER at aol.com
Tue Oct 11 05:23:06 PDT 2011
Let me add to this thread on Germans from Russia/Poland/Prussia to Chicago.
My Grandfather (Gustav Wagner, born 1885 in Redufka, which I think is the
same as Retowka, Volhynia) immigrated with a "cousin" (actually nephew, Emil
Weiman) to arrive in Chicago in February 1910. Gus then hosted his father
(Adam Wagner, born about 1847 in Vincentinowka) who visited in August
1910; his brother (Christian Wagner, born 1882 in Retowka) who arrived in March
1910 and worked in Chicago for a couple years; another brother (Heinrich
Wagner, born 1874 in Retowka) who arrived in Feb 1911 and also worked in
Chicago for a couple years; and a third brother (Adam, Jr, born 1889 in
Retowka) who arrived in May 1912 and worked in Chicago until killed in an
accident in 1915.
Grampa Gus returned to Elsenau, Germany, twice in 1914, the second time
bringing back to Chicago Hulda Bansen (born 1893 in Roschischtsche) whom he
married in Chicago five days after their arrival. Brothers Heinrich and
Christian had wives and children back in Volhynia, so they returned there
after saving some money. Both brothers were they caught up in WWI and were
drafted into the German and Russian armies respectively. They eventually
immigrated with their families to Edmonton, Canada, in 1927.
Many of our family members who lived in Chicago were buried in St. Luke's
(formerly St. Lucas) Cemetery, 1500 West Belmont Avenue, Chicago. The
cemetery is on the edge of an ethnic neighborhood of Germans and Poles, and the
cemetery helped me find three graves and gave me their file information
for free.
My ancestors came to America from Bremen to Baltimore or Philadelphia,
from Hamburg to New York, or from an unknown port of departure through Santos,
Brazil (undoubtedly visiting family there while enroute to Chicago).
Adam, Sr. came to New York in 1910, and Gus and Hulda came through Ellis Island
in 1914.
On or near Drake Avenue, on Chicago's north side where my family lived, are
two Lutheran churches. However, one was originally a Swedish Lutheran
church. The other (originally a German Lutheran church) gave me some
information on my grandparents' wedding there in 1914.
I would love to hear from anyone who thinks we may be related. I would
also love to hear from anyone with a connection to Elsenau, Germany (not far
from Berlin), as I wonder if this might be our ancestral village before my
family settled in Volhynia.
Dan Wagner
In a message dated 10/9/2011 5:27:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jguasch at fastmail.net writes:
I will add to this thread, immigrants to Chicago in my family.
Immigrants of 1913: William Jalosky, spouse Ophelia Gurke Jalosky. The
census of 1920 has them in Forest Park Village, Croviso Township, boarders:
Adam Wentland and Gottlieb Natke. Census of 1930: Chicago City, Port 30
Precinct. Boarder: Sigismund Lemke. All appear to be from "Poland or
Russia"
My known Gurke family lived in the Lublin area, coming from the Lipno area.
Family tells me Ophelia was "cousin or aunt." None of my research, has
connected her to my known Gurke family.
William and Ophelia had two children: William Jordan born about 1923 and
Virginia abt 1927. Internet and Ancestry searches lead me to believe there
are no Jaloskys in the Chicago area at this time. Virginia married Joseph
Monroe Johnson in 1927. It is possible that they are both living or have
moved so far from the area that I am not able to pick out a death record
for
either, name too common, too many possibilities.
I haven't found immigration records for the Jaloskys or their boarders,
only
naturalization filings for William and Ophelia.
I feel my next step is to find enough information to obtain a death
certificate on Ophelia, if the State of IL will allow it. She married
again,
Albert Lohrman. She died in Nov 1971, Hanekamp Funeral Home handled
arrangements. I still have them to call to see if they can give me anymore
information.
My father's sister, Teofelia Welke, came from Dubeczno to Halifax in 1913,
crossed the border and lived with them for a short time in Chicago (area),
before she moved to Oregon to Ludwig Jesse and Ottilie Gurke Jesse (Ottilie
is my grandmother's sister). I have a couple of photos taken when Ophelia
and Virginia came to Oregon to visit. This was after the death of Wm
Jalosky.
That is the sum total of my information except for the schools that
Virginia
attended.
A search of all SGGEE databases has yielded me nothing for Jalosky or
Ophelia Gurke.
Joyce Welke Guasch
of Springfield, OR
Researching: Welke, Gurke,
Ratz, Lentz, Zimmerman of East Poland
Haner, Lindley, Wisbey, Bailey,
of the US and Germany
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From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
[mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Sue
Eipert
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:45 AM
To: Kenneth Browne
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Chicago
Kenneth (and all),
I'm starting a new thread related to the Chicago part of your message.
Where in Chicago was your grandfather born?
I'm always interested in hearing about Germans from Poland that immigrated
to Chicago. My grandmother Anna Kopp came there from near Chodecz (powiat
of
W這c豉wek) to join her brother. My grandfather Johann Radtke came to Chicago
from Crimea to join his cousin, Wilhelm Radtke, who had just arrived from
Poland (he was born in the Plock area).
They were married by Pastor Martin P.F. Doermann at Zion Evangelical
Lutheran Church in 1905, and their first four children (including my
father) were born there.
I have addresses for them and some relatives as well as the church; they
are
all in the areas of Chicago called South Chicago or East Side.
Susan Radtke Eipert
seipert2 at gmail.com
On 10/5/2011 5:22 AM, Kenneth Browne wrote:
> On 10/04/2011 10:56 PM, Albert Muth wrote:
>> For example, my grandfather was born in the parish of Przedecz,
>> located in the powiat of W這c豉wek in the Warszawa gouvernate, *143
>> kilometers* to the West of the capital city. While knowing the
>> gubernia narrows your search somewhat, records are not indexed in a
central location anywhere in Poland.
>> (Many US states have always had centralized indices, though these are
>> not necessarily available online).
>>
> In your example of your grandfather you've raised a question that has
> been in my mind for some time now.
> It involves the use of the terms, "parish" "powiat" and "gubernia" How
> do these terms compare to the birth information below.
>
> My grandfather was born in USA, Illinois, Cook County, Chicago and I
> even know the street address.
>
> His father's birth information from the SGGEE databases
>
> Surname Given Name Birth Day and Month Birth Year Event
> Place
> Lachmann Samuel 23 Sep 1865
> Roschischtsche
> Father Mother Film or Item Page
> Number Register Remarks
> Gottfried Wolf, Julianna 1884089/1 666
> 113 Bereske
>
> From what I can gather from all sources that I've found so far
> Samuel Lachmann was born in Roschischtsche, Volhynia (Helenow,
> Wolynskie, Poland).
>
> As near as I can figure it comparing my great grandfather to my
> grandfather it would be as follows:
>
> Poland, Volhynia (Wolynskie), Helenow, Roschischtsche(Rozysche
>
> The remark Bereske also puzzles me. Is it a place name? Which name
> would be the powiat. I haven't seen that term before. Volhynia is the
> gubernia and Roschischtsche the parish I think :-\ .
>
>
>
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