[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 117, Issue 5
Henry and Alice Schmidt
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On 2013-02-10, at 3:00 PM, ger-poland-volhynia-request at sggee.org wrote:
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> 1. Re: Konin records (Krampetz at aol.com)
> 2. Wieliczka salt mine (marlu at tir.com)
> 3. Re: Konin records (Krampetz at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Konin records (Jerry Frank)
> 5. Re: Wieliczka salt mine (Jerry Frank)
> 6. Re: Wieliczka salt mine (Carol Duff)
> 7. Re: Wieliczka salt mine (marlu at tir.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:37:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: Krampetz at aol.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Konin records
> Message-ID: <28e68.38437e4.3e48379f at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> For those marked "actually online.." I tried searching for 'krampitz' in
> 3 different cities under different 18xx years in each, and always got the
> same two individuals listed for 1939-1942 and 1940-1941.
>
> It was always the same _http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/_
> (http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/) site..
> I even 'played' with different options, and no matter what, get the same
> results??
>
> Am I misunderstanding something about ".. actually online .." ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Krampetz..
>
>
>
> In a message dated 02/09/13 09:31:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> franklyspeaking at shaw.ca writes:
>
> Thank you for this update, Gordon.
>
> To reflect the new info about Konin Parish, we have updated our Parishes
> page:
>
> https://www.sggee.org/research/parishes/church_parishes/LutheransInRusPoland
> .html
>
> Scroll down to Konin and you can click any of the links to go directly to
> the online records. The links take you to the description of the file.
> Click on "Digital Copies" to get to the actual documents.
>
> If any of you other readers find updates to other parishes or new
> parishes, let me know and we will get the links updated.
>
>
> Jerry Frank
> Assistant Webmaster
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:43:37 -0500
> From: "" <marlu at tir.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wieliczka salt mine
> Message-ID: <380-22013269234337203 at tir.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I received this, and as you can see it has been forwarded a lot of times. so, I am wondering if this mine does exist as mentioned and is it still a tourist attraction? Also where in poland is it? It sounds so interesting. Thanks for any info about this.
>
>>>>>>>>> Polish Salt Mine
>>>>>>>>> Deep underground in Poland lies something remarkable, but little?
>>>>>>>>> Known outside Eastern Europe .?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For centuries, miners have extracted salt there, but left behind things quite
>>>>>>>>> Startling and unique. Take a look at the most unusual salt mine in the world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the outside, Wieliczka Salt Mine doesn??™t look extraordinary.?
>>>>>>>>> It looks extremely well kept for a place that hasn??™t mined any salt for?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Over ten years but apart from that it looks ordinary. However, over two?
>>>>>>>>> Hundred meters below ground it holds an astonishing secret?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the salt mine that became an art gallery, cathedral and underground lake.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Situated in the Krakow area, Wieliczka is a small town of close to
>>>>>>>>> Twenty thousand inhabitants. It was founded in the twelfth century by a local
>>>>>>>>> Duke to mine the rich deposits of salt that lie beneath.
>>>>>>>>> Until 1996 it did just that, but the generations of miners did more than
>>>>>>>>> Just extract. They left behind them a breathtaking record of their time
>>>>>>>>> Underground in the shape of statues of mythic, historical and religious?
>>>>>>>>> Figures. They even created their own chapels in which to pray.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps their most astonishing legacy is the huge underground cathedral
>>>>>>>>> They left behind for posterity.?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It may feel like you are in the middle of a Jules Verne adventure?
>>>>>>>>> As you descend in to the depths of the world. After a one hundred and fifty?
>>>>>>>>> Meter climb down wooden, stairs the visitor to the salt mine will see some
>>>>>>>>> Amazing sites. About the most astounding in terms of its sheer size and?
>>>>>>>>> Audacity is the Chapel of Saint Kinga.
>>>>>>>>> The Polish people have for many Centuries been devout Catholics
>>>>>>>>> And this was more than just a long term hobby to relieve?
>>>>>>>>> The boredom of being underground. This was an act of worship.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Amazingly, even the chandeliers in the cathedral are made of?
>>>>>>>>> Salt. It was not simply hewn from the ground and then thrown together;?
>>>>>>>>> However, the process is rather more painstaking for the lighting.
>>>>>>>>> After extraction, the rock salt was first of all dissolved. It was then
>>>>>>>>> Reconstituted with the impurities taken out so that it achieved a glass-like?
>>>>>>>>> Finish. The chandeliers are what many visitors think the rest of the?
>>>>>>>>> Cavernous mine will be like as they have a picture in their minds
>>>>>>>>> Of salt as they would sprinkle on their meals! However, the rock salt
>>>>>>>>> Occurs naturally in different shades of grey (something like you would expect?
>>>>>>>>> Granite to look like).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still, that doesn??™t stop well over one million visitors (mainly from Poland
>>>>>>>>> And its eastern European neighbors) from visiting the mine to see,?
>>>>>>>>> Amongst other things, how salt was mined in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For safety reasons less than one percent of the mine is open to?
>>>>>>>>> Visitors, but even that is still almost four kilometers in length ??“ more?
>>>>>>>>> Than enough to weary the average tourist after an hour or two.
>>>>>>>>> The mine was closed for two reasons ??“ the low price of salt on the world?
>>>>>>>>> Market made it too expensive to extract here.
>>>>>>>>> Also, the mine was slowly flooding ??“ another reason why visitors
>>>>>>>>> Are restricted to certain areas only.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The religious carvings are, in reality, what draw many to this?
>>>>>>>>> Mine ??“ as much for their amazing verisimilitude as for their Christian?
>>>>>>>>> Aesthetics. The above shows Jesus appearing to the apostles after the?
>>>>>>>>> Crucifixion. He shows the doubter, Saint Thomas , the wounds on his?
>>>>>>>>> Wrists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another remarkable carving, this time a take on The Last Supper.?
>>>>>>>>> The work and patience that must have gone into the creation of these?
>>>>>>>>> Sculptures is extraordinary. One wonders what the miners would
>>>>>>>>> Have thought of their work going on general display?
>>>>>>>>> They came to be quite used to it, in fact, even during the mine??™s
>>>>>>>>> Busiest period in the nineteenth century. The Cream of Europe??™s
>>>>>>>>> Thinkers visited the site ??“ you can still see many of their names in the
>>>>>>>>> Old visitor??™s books on display.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These reliefs are perhaps among some of the most iconographic?
>>>>>>>>> Works of Christian folk art in the world and really do deserve to be shown.?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It comes as little surprise to learn that the mine was placed on the?
>>>>>>>>> Original list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites back in 1978.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not all of the work is relief-based. There are many life sized statues
>>>>>>>>> That must have taken a considerable amount of time ??“ months, perhaps
>>>>>>>>> Even years ??“ to create. Within the confines of the mine there is also much?
>>>>>>>>> To be learned about the miners from the machinery and tools that they used ??“?
>>>>>>>>> Many of which are on display and are centuries old. A catastrophic flood in?
>>>>>>>>> 1992 dealt the last blow to commercial salt mining in the area and now the?
>>>>>>>>> mine functions purely as a tourist attraction. Brine is, however, still?
>>>>>>>>> extracted from the mine ??“ and then evaporated to produce some salt,
>>>>>>>>> but hardly on the ancient scale. If this was not done, then the mines would
>>>>>>>>> soon become flooded once again.?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not all of the statues have a religious or symbolic imagery attached to them.
>>>>>>>>> The miners had a sense of humor, after all! Here can be seen?
>>>>>>>>> their own take on the legend of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.
>>>>>>>>> The intricately carved dwarves must have seemed to some of the
>>>>>>>>> miners a kind of ironic depiction of their own work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The miners even threw in a dragon for good measure!?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly, they may have whistled while they did it but the conditions in the
>>>>>>>>> salt mine were far from comfortable and the hours were long ??“ the fact
>>>>>>>>> that it was subterranean could hardly have added to the excitement of?
>>>>>>>>> going to work each morning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To cap it all there is even an underground lake, lit by subdued electricity and
>>>>>>>>> candles. This is perhaps where the old legends of lakes to the underworld
>>>>>>>>> and Catholic imagery of the saints work together to best leave a lasting?
>>>>>>>>> impression of the mine. How different a few minutes reflection here
>>>>>>>>> must have been to the noise and sweat of everyday working life?
>>>>>>>>> in the mine.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:49:09 -0500 (EST)
> From: Krampetz at aol.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Konin records
> Message-ID: <29115.a542acd.3e483a75 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Ok.. the 'search' evidently has nothing to do with the 'original'
> records..
> Sorry..
>
>
> In a message dated 02/09/13 03:38:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> Krampetz at aol.com writes:
>
> For those marked "actually online.." I tried searching for 'krampitz'
> in
> 3 different cities under different 18xx years in each, and always got
> the
> same two individuals listed for 1939-1942 and 1940-1941.
>
> It was always the same _http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/_
> (http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/) site..
> I even 'played' with different options, and no matter what, get the same
>
> results??
>
> Am I misunderstanding something about ".. actually online .." ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Krampetz..
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:50:56 -0700 (MST)
> From: Jerry Frank <franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>
> To: Krampetz at aol.com
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Konin records
> Message-ID: <1973696878.17012365.1360457456937.JavaMail.root at cds026>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> It has to do with original records but these records are neither extracted nor indexed. It is the same as searching through a microfilm for records. The search will lead you to parishes but not people.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Krampetz at aol.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:49:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Konin records
>
> Ok.. the 'search' evidently has nothing to do with the 'original'
> records..
> Sorry..
>
>
> In a message dated 02/09/13 03:38:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> Krampetz at aol.com writes:
>
> For those marked "actually online.." I tried searching for 'krampitz'
> in
> 3 different cities under different 18xx years in each, and always got
> the
> same two individuals listed for 1939-1942 and 1940-1941.
>
> It was always the same _http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/_
> (http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/) site..
> I even 'played' with different options, and no matter what, get the same
>
> results??
>
> Am I misunderstanding something about ".. actually online .." ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Krampetz..
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 18:07:35 -0700 (MST)
> From: Jerry Frank <franklyspeaking at shaw.ca>
> To: marlu at tir.com
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wieliczka salt mine
> Message-ID: <2019668665.17016969.1360458455367.JavaMail.root at cds026>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> The salt mine still exists as a tourist attraction but it stopped commercial production, I think, in the 1990s. It is very near to Krakow (south of it) and about an hour's drive from Oswieciem (Auschwitz) to the west. We visited both in the same day last year. Both are well worth the visit. The salt mine is beautiful and inspiring. Auschwitz is very interesting historically but also depressing emotionally.
>
> Neither is located in former Russian Poland but it is not far to get there from anywhere else in Poland.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marlu at tir.com
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2013 4:43:37 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wieliczka salt mine
>
> I received this, and as you can see it has been forwarded a lot of times. so, I am wondering if this mine does exist as mentioned and is it still a tourist attraction? Also where in poland is it? It sounds so interesting. Thanks for any info about this.
>
>>>>>>>>> Polish Salt Mine
>>>>>>>>> Deep underground in Poland lies something remarkable, but little?
>>>>>>>>> Known outside Eastern Europe .?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2013 21:42:52 -0600
> From: Carol Duff <carolduff at me.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wieliczka salt mine
> Message-ID: <C7875BFA-B99D-4CF8-8D92-8874E57E4E53 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
>
> I agree that the salt mine is well worth a visit if you are in the area.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 09:09:47 -0500
> From: "" <marlu at tir.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Wieliczka salt mine
> Message-ID: <380-22013201014947781 at tir.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Thanks to everyone who told me about the salt mine. I appreciate all your
> help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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