Ort Kolewe okolewe at me.com
Thu Sep 12 06:45:03 PDT 2013

Prussian...not. German. Baltic tribes exterminated by the brothers of the cloth...Teutonic Order...after the Crusades.The DNA markers of the Prussians would be interesting.I think they faded into the back woods of White Russia and Lithuania.

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On Sep 12, 2013, at 8:27 AM, DANWWAGNER at aol.com wrote:

> A short question with a long wind up.  
> My father's father was an ethnic German, Lutheran, raised in  Volhynia: 
> Gustav Wagner, born 10 May 1885 in Redufka.  The family  spent several 
> generations in Volhynia, mostly living in  Roschischtsche.  Some family members 
> (including my grandparents)  left Volhynia for Elsenau (then in Germany) in the 
> late 1890's or the  1910's.  Elsenau is a manoral village east of Berlin in 
> present-day  Poland.  I suspect that Elsenau, or nearby Loosen, was the 
> Wagner's  ancestral home before the migration to Russian-occupied territory in 
> the  late 1700's (yes, that early).  My father was born in 1915 in Chicago 
> just  one year after his parents immigrated from Elsenau, and Dad learned 
> German  at home.
> My father used to make a point of telling me that he pronounced  "ich" like 
> "ish."  I think he went on to explain that his pronunciation  came from 
> Prussia.  Does that tell us anything?  Prussian  dialect, low German, Volhynia 
> dialect?  What little German I learned was in  high school.  Anyway, "ish" 
> is just one tiny detail, but it's stuck in my  memory for decades.
> Thanks.  Dan Wagner       
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