[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic Poles and Lutheran Germans

Jerry Frank franklyspeaking at shaw.ca
Sat Sep 14 13:37:28 PDT 2013

The letter written in Yiddish seems to imply a strong Jewish connection.  Many Germans would have some knowledge of Yiddish because of the need to communicate in the marketplace.  They would not normally use it to write a letter.  Are you certain it was Yiddish or could it have been low German?  There are some similarities.

I am a little confused about your question regarding Samuel.  I only see an 1865/6 birth described, not one 13 years earlier.  If Samuel's birth is recorded in the Lutheran Church in 1865 and his parent's marriage in the Lutheran Church in 1852, where does the Jewish connection enter in?  The marriage record by the way would indicate if either spouse was anything other than Lutheran.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth Browne" <kbrowne01518 at gmail.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 12:52:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic Poles and Lutheran Germans

On 09/14/2013 12:51 PM, Jerry Frank wrote:
>   Jews also registered at Catholic churches until their synagogues were given permission to do registrations, I think in the 1830s or so.
My ggfather, Samuel Lachmann, was born in Sept, 1865 in Rozhysche 
(sp?) and migrated to the U.S. (Chicago) in 1891. His first wife, my 
ggmother, Alvine Mroch died young and her origins are still a mystery, 
other than 1900 census which state
place of birth as "Germany". Samuels place of birth is listed as 

In re: the above citation, is it possible that Samuel's birth in 1865 
(or 1866) could have been recorded in a Lutheran church, even if he or 
his parents were Jewish? Seems unlikely except for the existence of 
letters written by his "sister in law" in 1931 and 1937. The first 
letter in Yiddish, the second in English with help of a friend 
states...'back to Poland we cannot go because we have no passport.'

I also have a digital copy of Samuel's parents' marriage in 1852. I 
cannot read the Polish, but I can pick out some of the names and it 
appears to mention a Samuel Lachmann. Other keywords that I picked out 
of the document (a .TIF file) are Kielce, Antonielow, Gottfried 
Lachmann, Juliana Josefa Wolf, and at the bottom what looks like 
Pastor Kielecki.

As far as I know, Gottfried Lachmann's father was a Karl Lachmann. So 
if I've deciphered these names correctly, who is this other Samuel 
Lachmann who existed some 13 years before my ggf's birth? Ah, the 
mystery of genealogy.

Kenneth Browne researching: BROWN(E) LEIGHTON TAYLOR CLOUGH/CLUFF 
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