[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 130, Issue 22

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Fri Mar 28 12:16:50 PDT 2014


Jim Stange, My Great-grandfather was in prison about the same time. He had  
written a letter to my Grandfather in America, telling him that he was 
right for  leaving, the government had gotten so bad. The Russian government 
arrested him.  He had been a teacher, and people used to bow to him when they 
saw him in the  street, After he was arrested, he was led around with a rope 
tied around his  neck and people used to spit at him.  He died in prison, of 
cholera or  another disease. Sarah Solen, do you remember where our Great 
Grandfather died?  was in Lutsk?
Bruce Braun
 
 
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Today's  Topics:

1. Volhynia Marriage Records (B  Hirsekorn)
2. Re: Volhynia Marriage Records (Sigrid Pohl  Perry)
3. Re: Volhynia Marriage Records (Richard  Stein)
4. Prison in Ukraine? (Jim Stange)
5.  Help with a marriage record. (Brenda Brandt)
6. Re: Prison in  Ukraine? (George  Shoning)


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Message:  1
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: B Hirsekorn  <tggrtime at yahoo.ca>
To:  ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  Volhynia Marriage Records
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In the Volhynia marriage records, if the  parents of the bride and groom 
are listed does that mean the parents attended  the wedding? 

I am trying to determine the most likely place to find my  
g-g-grandparent's death records.

Betty  Hirsekorn



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Message:  2
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:58:38 -0500
From: Sigrid Pohl Perry  <perry1121 at aol.com>
To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org
Subject: Re:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Marriage Records
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Betty,

I'm sure someone else will post  specifically about Volhynian records, 
but I thought I'd give a more  general answer because others may wonder 
about this as well. I have  indexed thousands of Lublin parish marriage 
records and I've also seen  many from other Polish parishes. Records 
compiled into a table will  provide the names of the parents, but will 
rarely indicate whether they  are living. Full Napoleonic paragraph 
records will usually indicate where  the parents live or if one or both 
are deceased. If the widowed mother has  re-married, sometimes her new 
surname will be given if she lives in the  area. If the bride and/or 
groom is widowed, the name of the deceased  spouse and date of death is 
provided. This is not always indicated on a  table, though the status, 
single or widowed, is always given. Marriage  records usually provide the 
birth village, or at least the name of the  parish, for the bride and 
groom, and, of course, the age.

Of  course, some marriage information is only available on index tables 
which  include only the names and ages of the bride and groom, their 
villages,  and perhaps the names of two witnesses. Looking at the record, 
not just at  extracted indexes, usually does provide more information.

Sigrid Pohl  Perry

On 3/27/2014 2:12 PM, B Hirsekorn wrote:
> In the Volhynia  marriage records, if the parents of the bride and groom 
are listed does that  mean the parents attended the wedding?
>
> I am trying to  determine the most likely place to find my 
g-g-grandparent's death  records.
>
> Betty Hirsekorn
>
>  _______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date:  Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:27:39 -0600
From: "Richard Stein"  <ra_stein at telus.net>
To: "Sigrid Pohl Perry"  <perry1121 at aol.com>,
<ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia]  Volhynia Marriage Records
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reply-type=response

Betty,
Sigrid gave a good summary of Polish  marriage records.  Marriage records 
in 
Volhynian parish registers  have less information than those in Poland.  
The 
St. Petersburg  Archive records are a copy of the original parish registers 
and in the  case of marriages they are really only an index containing the 
names of  the groom and bride and the date of marriage.  Available St.  
Petersburg Archive records go only to 1885 and consist of records from  
Zhitomir, Heimtal, and Rozyszcze parishes.

Original parish  registers of Rozyszcze, Wladimir-Wolynsk, and Luck 
parishes 
to about 1905  are held in the AGAD Archive in Warsaw.  Digital scans are 
available  online at http://www.agad.gov.pl/inwentarze/KsEA439x.xml  
Usually 
the  marriage records contain the names, ages, residences, birth places, 
and  
parents' names of the groom and bride.  In the case of a widowed  groom or 
bride, the name of the deceased spouse is usually given in place  of the 
parents' names.  The record does not indicate if the parents  are deceased 
or 
if they are present at the marriage.  Many young  persons married by the 
age 
of 20 and so one can usually assume that they  still lived with their 
parents.  That a person is living can often be  confirmed by seeing them 
listed as a godparent on baptism  records.

Dick Stein


----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Sigrid Pohl Perry" <perry1121 at aol.com>
To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:58  PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Volhynia Marriage  Records


> Betty,
>
> I'm sure someone else will post  specifically about Volhynian records, 
but 
> I thought I'd give a more  general answer because others may wonder about 
> this as well. I have  indexed thousands of Lublin parish marriage records 
> and I've also  seen many from other Polish parishes. Records compiled 
into 
> a table  will provide the names of the parents, but will rarely indicate 
>  whether they are living. Full Napoleonic paragraph records will usually  
> indicate where the parents live or if one or both are deceased. If  the 
> widowed mother has re-married, sometimes her new surname will be  given 
if 
> she lives in the area. If the bride and/or groom is widowed,  the name of 
> the deceased spouse and date of death is provided. This  is not always 
> indicated on a table, though the status, single or  widowed, is always 
> given. Marriage records usually provide the birth  village, or at least 
the 
> name of the parish, for the bride and groom,  and, of course, the age.
>
> Of course, some marriage information  is only available on index tables 
> which include only the names and  ages of the bride and groom, their 
> villages, and perhaps the names of  two witnesses. Looking at the record, 
> not just at extracted indexes,  usually does provide more information.
>
> Sigrid Pohl  Perry
>
> On 3/27/2014 2:12 PM, B Hirsekorn wrote:
>> In  the Volhynia marriage records, if the parents of the bride and groom 
 
>> are listed does that mean the parents attended the  wedding?
>>
>> I am trying to determine the most likely  place to find my 
>> g-g-grandparent's death  records.
>>
>> Betty Hirsekorn
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Ger-Poland-Volhynia site list
>>  Ger-Poland-Volhynia at sggee.org
>>  https://www.sggee.org/mailman/listinfo/ger-poland-volhynia
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri,  28 Mar 2014 09:04:12 -0400
From: Jim Stange  <jjstange at gmail.com>
To: SGGEElistserv  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Prison in Ukraine?
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Hello Members - I recently found out that a  Great Grandfather was
imprisoned in a camp "Schillowski-Rudnik " for about  four years from about
1914-1919.  He was from Przemysl area.  Has  anyone heard of this camp or
know where it might be?  My Google  searches have come up empty.  Also, any
insight as to what he may have  been imprisoned for (what side)?

This is the text from the web  site:

Johann, Jag., TJR. Nr. 1,14. Komp., B?hmen, Chot?bo?, Dobra,  1876; verw.
Jarosze?ski Gabriel, Lstlnfst., IR. Nr. 30,10. Komp., Galizien,  Lemberg,
1886; verw. Jaroszyk Wasyl, LstGeft.,k.k.LstIR. Nr. 18, Galizien,  Przemy?l,
Sielec, 1880; kriegsgef., Schillowsky-Rudnik, Gouvernement  Jekaterinoslaw

Thanks for any  input,
Jim


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Message:  5
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:45:19 -0400
From: "Brenda Brandt"  <blbrandt at comcast.net>
To:  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Help with a marriage record.
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Good morning  Members,

Does anyone have Ilow film # 1196414? I would like to know the  parents of
Paul Schatschneider who married Elizabeth Stuermer in 1842,  Record # 39. My
problem is that I am working with another person on this  family and we have
to different sets of parents for Paul. I have Michael  Schatschneider and 
Eva
Witzke, the information I extracted for the SGGEE  database. My coworker has
the parents as Peter Schastschneider and Dorothea  Mielke. All of these 
folks
are from the same family group and either of us  could have made an error.



If someone has the film in addition  to the information, if possible, I 
would
appreciate a scan of the  record.



Thanks in advance,

Brenda  Brandt



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Message:  6
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: George Shoning  <shoning at q.com>
To: Jim Stange <jjstange at gmail.com>,
ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re:  [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Prison in Ukraine?
Message-ID:
<1208290983.572428.1396019508911.JavaMail.root at md05.quartz.synacor.com>

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Jim,

In case  you have not noticed this, he is listed as a "Kriegsgef", that is  
"Kriefsgefangener" meaning "prisoner of war". The years 1914-1919 suggest  
World War I.

George Shoning

----- Original Message  -----
From: "Jim Stange" <jjstange at gmail.com>
To: "SGGEElistserv"  <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014  7:04:12 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Prison in Ukraine?

Hello  Members - I recently found out that a Great Grandfather was
imprisoned in a  camp "Schillowski-Rudnik " for about four years from about
1914-1919.   He was from Przemysl area.  Has anyone heard of this camp or
know  where it might be?  My Google searches have come up empty.  Also,  any
insight as to what he may have been imprisoned for (what  side)?

This is the text from the web site:

Johann, Jag., TJR.  Nr. 1,14. Komp., B?hmen, Chot?bo?, Dobra, 1876; verw.
Jarosze?ski Gabriel,  Lstlnfst., IR. Nr. 30,10. Komp., Galizien, Lemberg,
1886; verw. Jaroszyk  Wasyl, LstGeft.,k.k.LstIR. Nr. 18, Galizien, Przemy?l,
Sielec, 1880;  kriegsgef., Schillowsky-Rudnik, Gouvernement Jekaterinoslaw

Thanks for  any  input,
Jim
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