[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 2nd strike::: 1798 birth(?) record from Glogowiec, Skoszewy

Sun Mar 29 06:58:20 PDT 2015

Hello again!

I think that this is a notice for a boy and his baptism/christening. The endings of all latin words in this text are male, not female.

"On the 4th march was baptised the child (may be the oldest boy (?), Infanten (plural) are the title of the children, following on the throne of a king in Spain untill today)) with the name Degoratum, child of the workingman Joseph Nerenberg and Eva, living in a legitimate realationchip. (They where a married couple and so the child was not a bastard.)"

Now it get`s realy difficult:

"Elevated (worn ?)and in deed (realy, in fact ?) dived (dipped ?) into the spring (or baptismal font ?) by Andreas Wierz, (speaking or doing the exoiatus (exoratus is the intercession) and Marianna Celbnrowna ??? Christopher..."

In the traditional church, not the parents are going/had gone with the baby on the arm to the spring/or baptismal font, but those, we call "Pateneltern" or shortform "Paten". I think, "godparents" is the english word for it. 

And so you may have a special kind of film in your brain, what has happend so much years ago...

Sorry, my englisch ist not as good, as it should be, so many years since my walking to shool had passed!

 Yours

Jürgen Brandt

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Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 1798 birth(?) record from Glogowiec, Skoszewy
Datum: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 13:50:10 +0200
Von: "Tovarek-Brandt at t-online.de" <Tovarek-Brandt at t-online.de>
An: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>, "Mauricio Norenberg" <mauricio.norenberg at gmail.com>, "ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org" <ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>

Hello to you all!

	The name of the boy is:

Deogratum

It`s a realy old name, meaning thanks or welcome of/from Godfather.

The polish name koncluding is : Bogumil

The more modern kind/modern in german: Gottlieb 

	You will find this name for boys also as: Deograzio, Deogracio in
italian and spanisch language. The form for a girl is: Deogratia,
Deograta, Deograzia, Deogacia.

	There is a realationcip to : Gracia, Gazia, Gratia, Grace

	With kind regards!

	Jürgen Brandt

Mecklenburg-Pomerania/Germany

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Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 1798 birth(?) record from
Glogowiec, Skoszewy
Datum: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 04:56:41 +0200
Von: "Rose Ingram" <roseingram at shaw.ca>
An: "Mauricio Norenberg" <mauricio.norenberg at gmail.com>,
<ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org>

I believe the name of the baby is Deograt which may translate to
Gottlieb.

Rose
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Mauricio Norenberg 
 To: ger-poland-volhynia at sggee.org 
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:32 PM
 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 1798 birth(?) record from Glogowiec,
Skoszewy

 Hi folks
 With the help of you I found a record that seems to be of my 6th
generation
 grand parents.
 Joseph Nörenberg and Eva Kurz.

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14577001/ViewScan_0025.pdf

 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14577001/Josef_Eva.pdf

 Notice that the microfilm is damaged just on the last line of this
record.
 I will ask LDS for a new copy.

 In the meantime, this is what I can read from this latin record. I'm
not
 too experienced so feel free to give your opinion.

 Glogowiec

 Anno code die 4th Marti Ego qui supra baptisavi(?) Infante nomine
 Deogratum(?) filiium laboiosblum(?) Josephi Nerenbergh et Eva ????
ejust
 legitimonium conjugum, Levantes e facto fonte fiêre Andreas Wierz
exoiatus
 et Marianna Celbnrowa ??? Christopher... (missing line)

 this would translate to

 Glogowiec

 4th day of March, I stated that the code name of the Child baptisavi
 Deogratum laboiosblum(?) daughter of Joseph and Eva Nerenbergh ????
ejust
 legitimate partners, lifting spring done the deed and Andrew wierz
exoiatus
 Marianna Celbnrowa ??? Christopher (missing line). Not sure what the
name
 Deogratium really is.

 It really looks more like a birth certificate to me.

 Josef and Eva are the parents of my 5th grand-dad Johann who married
Anna
 Rozina in 1827 int the same Glogowiec. I was wondering if this record
from
 Skoszewy will have any clues from how long this family was settled in
that
 area and from where they came from. Those records go back as far as
1600
 and they get harder and harder to read.

 Robert Norenberg, a member of this list also has some records from
another
 Glogowiec but from Gostynin parish. It seems that a Christoph
Norenberg son
 of Josef and Eva was born there. Seems like we have two conflicting
 Glogowiecs? Trying to sort this mystery.

 any inputs are welcome :)

 Regards

 Mauricio
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