[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Search death record an birth registrationTimm

ilonatimm at t-online.de ilonatimm at t-online.de
Mon Oct 12 16:16:02 PDT 2015

Hello Amy and Helen,

thank you very much for your answers. 
I know now that Humberstone is correct. In the church book entry that is difficult to read.

To the marriage, I have no data. I know that the Michael Heinrich Timm was born on 17. November 1899 in Humberstone, Ontario, Canada.
At the birth of Michael Heinrich the mother was 24 years old.

Next I have the date of death of Michael Timm - 17. September 1899 in Buffalo.
The wife Louise had married a second husband Gustav Emil Neumann. They lived in Poland, in the Dobrzyń Land.
The church book entry (Ossowka) is from 1909. 

Seeking the death record of Michael Timm and the birth entry of Michael Heinrich.
Helen, the line Bartz is not wanted at the moment, but I'll write down everything.

Helen, have you the dead record for father Michael Timm? Can you send me this record?

Many thanks for everything. Sorry, but English is difficult for me.


Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Search death record an birth registrationTimm
Datum: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:10:25 +0200
Von: Amy Caswell <a.caswell at att.net>
An: Helen Gillespie <gilleh23 at gmail.com>

Do you know when and where Louise married Michael Timm? I have looked for a burial I Buffalo but haven't found one so far. I am assuming that since the probate was filed on September 22,1899 that Michael probably died in September. I went back and looked and it did say he died without a will and that this document allowed Louise Tim ( that is how it was spelled on the document) to dispose of his estate/ goods. It looks like she went to Ontario to be close to family before she had the baby.

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> On Oct 12, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Helen Gillespie <gilleh23 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ilona,
> To follow up on Amy and Rose's response, the birth registration is actually
> a LATE registration for Michael Timm's birth in 1935 - a late birth
> registration sworn to by an uncle Gustav Fiedler that he was in the home at
> the time of the birth and that the father was deceased.  Note also that if
> Gustav Fiedler Sr. is 38 years older than the child (in 1935), he too would
> have been a child. The 1901 census for Humberstone Township, County of
> Welland in Ontario shows both Bartz and Fiedler families and there are two
> Gustave Fiedlers:  father and son aged  40 and 9. So in 1899, he would have
> been 7.
> http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=107368&highlight=34&desc=1901+Census+of+Canada+page+containing+Gustav+Fiedle%3F
> Gustave Fiedler Jr. was born in 1891 and his mother's maiden name was Bartz:
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM7D-X4W
> so they are related by marriage.
> In searching for a marriage of Louisa Bartz and Michael Timm, I found:
> curiously, a *Louisa Bartz of Buffalo and a Sidney Leonard Reilly also of
> Buffalo *were married in TORONTO, Ontario, Canada in *1911*.  She is aged
> 25. (in 1899 she would have been about 13) Note the unusual disclaimer re
> their marriage in Toronto rather than in Buffalo. (Buffalo is about 160 km
> or 100 miles from Toronto.) Her father is listed as Fred Bartz.  Louisa and
> her Bartz family are found in the *1900* US census in Buffalo where she is
> listed as age 14.   But no baby Michael.  A teenage mother? Did she give
> him away?
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS83-KQV
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSXV-TGX
> Is this Louisa Bartz who married Sidney Reilly in 1911 perhaps the mother
> of Michael Timm?
> Helen
>>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 4:53 AM, "ilonatimm at t-online.de" <
>> ilonatimm at t-online.de> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> who can help me?
>> I'm searching the death record of Michael Timm, died in September 1899
>> in Buffalo. The wife was Ludowika / Louise, born Bartz.
>> By Michael Timm and his wife Louise, I'm still looking for the birth
>> registration of the child Michael Heinrich Timm in December 1899
>> Baptism also in December 1899. The birth is hard to read, Humberstone
>> could be near to Buffalo.
>> If the data is perhaps online? Where can I find them?
>> Many thanks for the help.
>> Ilona Timm
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