[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Search death record an birth registrationTimm
gilleh23 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 12 20:11:37 PDT 2015
Sorry I do not have death record for father, Michael Timm. It was Amy that
found the probate (Nachlassgericht) dated in Sept 1899 in Buffalo, New York.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:16 PM, ilonatimm at t-online.de <
ilonatimm at t-online.de> wrote:
> Hello Amy and Helen,
> thank you very much for your answers.
> I know now that Humberstone is correct. In the church book entry that is
> difficult to read.
> To the marriage, I have no data. I know that the Michael Heinrich Timm was
> born on 17. November 1899 in Humberstone, Ontario, Canada.
> At the birth of Michael Heinrich the mother was 24 years old.
> Next I have the date of death of Michael Timm - 17. September 1899 in
> The wife Louise had married a second husband Gustav Emil Neumann. They
> lived in Poland, in the Dobrzyń Land.
> The church book entry (Ossowka) is from 1909.
> Seeking the death record of Michael Timm and the birth entry of Michael
> Helen, the line Bartz is not wanted at the moment, but I'll write down
> Helen, have you the dead record for father Michael Timm? Can you send me
> this record?
> Many thanks for everything. Sorry, but English is difficult for me.
> Betreff: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Search death record an birth
> Datum: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:10:25 +0200
> Von: Amy Caswell <a.caswell at att.net>
> An: Helen Gillespie <gilleh23 at gmail.com>
> Do you know when and where Louise married Michael Timm? I have looked for
> a burial I Buffalo but haven't found one so far. I am assuming that since
> the probate was filed on September 22,1899 that Michael probably died in
> September. I went back and looked and it did say he died without a will and
> that this document allowed Louise Tim ( that is how it was spelled on the
> document) to dispose of his estate/ goods. It looks like she went to
> Ontario to be close to family before she had the baby.
> Sent from my iPad
> > On Oct 12, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Helen Gillespie <gilleh23 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ilona,
> > To follow up on Amy and Rose's response, the birth registration is
> > a LATE registration for Michael Timm's birth in 1935 - a late birth
> > registration sworn to by an uncle Gustav Fiedler that he was in the home
> > the time of the birth and that the father was deceased. Note also that
> > Gustav Fiedler Sr. is 38 years older than the child (in 1935), he too
> > have been a child. The 1901 census for Humberstone Township, County of
> > Welland in Ontario shows both Bartz and Fiedler families and there are
> > Gustave Fiedlers: father and son aged 40 and 9. So in 1899, he would
> > been 7.
> > Gustave Fiedler Jr. was born in 1891 and his mother's maiden name was
> > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FM7D-X4W
> > so they are related by marriage.
> > In searching for a marriage of Louisa Bartz and Michael Timm, I found:
> > curiously, a *Louisa Bartz of Buffalo and a Sidney Leonard Reilly also of
> > Buffalo *were married in TORONTO, Ontario, Canada in *1911*. She is aged
> > 25. (in 1899 she would have been about 13) Note the unusual disclaimer re
> > their marriage in Toronto rather than in Buffalo. (Buffalo is about 160
> > or 100 miles from Toronto.) Her father is listed as Fred Bartz. Louisa
> > her Bartz family are found in the *1900* US census in Buffalo where she
> > listed as age 14. But no baby Michael. A teenage mother? Did she give
> > him away?
> > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS83-KQV
> > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSXV-TGX
> > Is this Louisa Bartz who married Sidney Reilly in 1911 perhaps the mother
> > of Michael Timm?
> > Helen
> >>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 4:53 AM, "ilonatimm at t-online.de" <
> >> ilonatimm at t-online.de> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> who can help me?
> >> I'm searching the death record of Michael Timm, died in September 1899
> >> in Buffalo. The wife was Ludowika / Louise, born Bartz.
> >> By Michael Timm and his wife Louise, I'm still looking for the birth
> >> registration of the child Michael Heinrich Timm in December 1899
> >> Baptism also in December 1899. The birth is hard to read, Humberstone
> >> could be near to Buffalo.
> >> If the data is perhaps online? Where can I find them?
> >> Many thanks for the help.
> >> Ilona Timm
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