[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] RES: France to Volhynia immigration

Eduardo Kommers eduardo.kommers at gmail.com
Mon Feb 15 04:15:21 PST 2016

Michael, my great-grandfather (son of that Ludwig Kommers I'm looking for) used to speak 6 languages, according to what my grandfather said. We actually don't know if French was one of them. What we know is that the Family used to speak German almost all of the time. Kommers has a translation in German, but I really don't know if it was Germanized or not. The name Kommers is very common in the Netherlands. I contacted some members of the family in the Netherlands and they said part of them moved after the Protestant Reformation. So, that's another story.   

I am very careful because what I said here regarding France came from a family report, with some suspicious information, including wrong data/years.  
The report says he escaped from French to Volhynia. But I thinking here it could be the opposite, he could have escaped from Volhynia to France. Well, very confused.
The fact they came to Brazil leaving Marseille (which was not a common port for the German-Russian families) maybe is a clue.
What is really confusing me is the ship manifest, which says they were originally from GRIEBENHOF. Definitely, not a place in Volhynia.

Best regards,
Eduardo Kommers


-----Mensagem original-----
De: Michael Stockhausen [mailto:michael.stockhausen.ff at web.de] 
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 15 de fevereiro de 2016 05:51
Para: Eduardo Kommers <eduardo.kommers at gmail.com>
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Assunto: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] France to Volhynia immigration


"German-speakers from France" quite likely came from the Elsass/Alsace area.
I am also not aware of any war in the mid 19th century, after which German-speakers had to leave the country, though.
This happened after WW1, but that was a lot later, of course.
Kommers doesn't really sound like a German name, more Dutch (?) Or could it be a germanized form of an originally French name?


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
From: Richard Benert
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 1:38 AM
To: Eduardo Kommers
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] France to Volhynia immigration


It’s not at all clear why a German living in France would have left for Volhynia at mid-century.  The Revolution of 1848 created internal turmoil in some places, but he would only have been 11 years old.  Did his whole family 
leave with him?   France was not a repressive state, so I doubt that one 
should refer to his leaving as an “escape” (unless he had broken the law). 
A remote possibility, perhaps, is that he got into the French army during the Crimean War (1853-56) and was sent to Russia, and stayed.


From: Eduardo Kommers
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 4:57 PM
To: Richard Benert
Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
Subject: Re: France to Volhynia immigration

Hello Dick.

I'm looking for Ludwig Kommers place of birth. He was born in 1837 (according to an old family report he was born in France). He escape to Volhynia and married in 1863 to Auguste Weich. We never found his birth record in Volhynia/Poland or even in the Black Sea region. So, the fact he was born in France started to make sense. When the Family left Europe in
1897 they departed from Marseille. So, another link to France.

Any idea where to look for it?

Best regards,

Eduardo Kommers

Em domingo, 14 de fevereiro de 2016, Richard Benert <benovich at live.com>

  Hello Eduardo,

  I think the basic answer to your question is "no."  At least I have never 
heard of such a migration of German-speakers from France to Volhynia.  Your 
question, however, implies that YOU have heard of it.  If this is true, it 
might help if you would tell us where you heard or read about this 

  Kind regards,
  Dick Benert

  -----Original Message----- From: Eduardo Kommers
  Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 11:40 AM
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] France to Volhynia immigration

  Hello dear friends,

  Has someone already heard about German-speaking people escaping from 
  to Volhynia after some war in the XIX century?

  Best regards,
  Eduardo Kommers

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