[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Found it! Was Re: Villiage of Nietrzeba

[Jerry Frank]

AHA!  Thanks for the clue Dave.  I found it on my 1805 Gilley map.

With that reference, I also found it on the modern map.  It is about half 
way between Nowa Wies (a short distance north of Chrostkowo) and 
Stalmierz.  The modern map shows it as Podnietrzeba.

Podnietrzeba = "under Nietrzeba" so this may not be the precise location 
but would be very, very close.

The Gilley map shows a water mill at that location.  You can see this 
stream or small river just south of Podnietrzeba.  And of relevant 
importance now is the occupation of one of the witnesses on the document 
Erik sent to me - Bogomil Bansmer, Ml~ynarz (miller).

I'll put in a plug for Dave here.  You can buy the map that shows it at 
http://www.genealogyunlimited.com



At 08:58 AM 10/03/2004 -0800, Dave Obee wrote:
>The proper name is Nietrzeba. It's about 12 km north of Lipno.
>
>Nietrzeba, osada mlynska, gmina Chrostkowo, Powait polityczny Rypin,
>Wojwodztwo Warszawa, Poczta i telegrapf (telefon) Wildno, Stacja kolj z
>odlegloascia km -- Lipno Plockie 12, autobuz linja Rypin-Kikol, and most
>importantly urzedy parafjalne Chrostkowo r, which is of course rz-kat or
>catholic.
>
>This is all from the Skorowidz Miejscowosci Rzeczpospolitej Polskiej,
>published in 1933-34.
>
>Nietrzeba is not shown in the modern 1:200,000 atlases, or even on the
>modern 1:100,000 grid map that covers that area, so either the name has
>changed or it has disappeared.
>
>Dave Obee
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
>To: <Ednadill at aol.com>; <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Villiage of Nietrzeba
>
>
> > Erik sent me a copy of a couple of the records.  They have about the
>nicest
> > script I have ever seen on any record coming out of Poland.  The place
>name
> > is very clearly written as Nietrzeba.
> >
> > At this time, using several resources, I have not been able to find such a
> > place in the Lipno region.  There is no question about it being located
>166
> > miles from Lipno.  That simply would never happen on a regular basis.  An
> > exception would be the recording in a marriage or death record of a place
> > of birth.  However, that would be contained within the record in
> > context.  The example records show Nietrzeba in the margin, indicating
>that
> > it is a local village.
> >
> > I did a general GOOGLE search for Nietrzeba.  It appears to be a
>relatively
> > common Polish surname.  It is possible, therefore, that this is the estate
> > name of a local nobleman which only existed for a short period of time.  I
> > am looking at some other sources and will report back if I find anything.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:29 AM 09/03/2004 -0500, Ednadill at aol.com wrote:
> > >Hello all,
> > >     Just a quick question.  I looked at more Lipno parish films
> > > yesterday.  I
> > >came up with a considerable amount with the village listed as Nietrzeba.
>I
> > >looked this village up on the ShtetlSeeker and the only one I found was
>51
> > >03 N
> > >21 54 E, 166.1 miles from Lipno.  Unless there is another Nietrzeba, why
> > >wouldn't these records have been recorded in Warsaw or closer parishes.
>The
> > >Michal Dyll that died on September 16 1855 in Nietrzeba, resided in
>Komorowo.
> > >     Any suppositions would be helpful.
> > >Regards,
> > >Erik Dill
> >
> > Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> > FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
> >
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Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca