[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polonization of German names

Wed Jan 7 16:00:07 PST 2009

Joan,
I suggest that Zietz would be a viable spelling for Cyttz. I have seen 
it while indexing for the Lublin Project. Zitts would also be possible.

Sigrid

Joan wrote:
> With the example below in mind, how Zimemr (Zimer) has been Polonized to 
>   Cymer or Czymer, does anyone know what this name could be?
>    
>   My great-great-grandmother on my Mom's paternal side is listed in the archives 
>   as Cyttz.  Could this then be, Zitts?   When I got the research from the Polish
>   archives, I found myself wondering what kind of name this could be?  I'd never
>   seen this spelling before.   
>    
>   Thanks, Joan  
>
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> ? I had the same experience with our German name ZIMMER ( Zimer ) being polonized to Czymer or Cymer ~~ than Russianized as well in certain FHL? records .? I made a chart of all my names in all three langauges for research . Luckily , many of the records are indexed !
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> ? I had the same experience with our German name ZIMMER ( Zimer ) being polonized to Czymer or Cymer ~~ than Russianized as well in certain FHL? records .? I made a chart of all my names in all three langauges for research aid.
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:31:11 -0500
> From: "Jim Stange" 
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
> To: "Annegret Krause" 
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> Thank you for all of your feedback. It sounds as though Annegret may have
> the correct parish. Could Karolinenhof be Karolin?w? Is there a village by
> this name that would be in close proximity to Secymin?
>
> Thanks again,
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Annegret Krause <
> krause.annegret at t-online.de> wrote:
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>   
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I think, "Zetzemin" means the village Secymin. Between 1939 and 1945
>> Secymin
>> belonged to Kreis (county) Ploehnen/Plonsk.
>>
>> Annegret
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
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>> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
>> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Stange
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:05 AM
>> To: Rose Ingram
>> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>>
>> The names were on a written family tree without sources. The time frame
>> would be 1930's. There is also a baptism location of "Zetzemin, Kr.
>> Ploehnen"??
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Rose Ingram wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> On what documentation did you find these places written? What time
>>> period?
>>>
>>> Rose Ingram
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Jim Stange 
>>> *To:* ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:42 PM
>>> *Subject:* [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>>>
>>> Does anyone recognize this place name in Poland:
>>>
>>> *Kreis Ploehnen* OR the village *Karolinenhof*?
>>>
>>> It may be in the area west of Wloclawek.
>>>
>>> I cannot find any alternate names in Polish or these locations on some of
>>> the old maps I have.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:01:18 +0100
> From: "Dr. Frank Stewner" 
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Landkreis Ploehnen
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> There is a German link to that in Wikipedia: one has to look on the German Wikipedia under http://de.wikipedia.org/
> and search vor "Landkreis Ploehnen" and go for the first result.
> You will realise that that Landkreis was named for Plonsk after the "Polenfeldzug" late 1939 and existed only until the beginning of 1945. Otto is right again! It's like Litzmannstadt for Lodz.
>
> Concerning Karolinenhof: there are 20 locations mentionned by Kartenmeister: 
> the link is http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseuwe.asp
>
> Frank
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> Hello:
> I have tried, without success, to locate a copy of my grandfather's birth 
> record using the LDS lab site. My grandfather's name is Gustav Richter and 
> according to the St Pete records he was born on Nov 11, 1872 in Tumaschew, and 
> that his birth is recorded on page 550. I have reviewed all of the possible 
> parishes displayed under the Volyn index and have searched the year ranges 
> before and after the recorded birth year, 1872 without any luck. 
> I would appreciate advice or suggestions from someone familiar with this 
> procedure. 
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> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:50:18 -0500
> From: "MIKE MCHENRY" 
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
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> There is a Karolin?w in Secymin. In Mapwig map P39_S31_ Modlin its toward
> the North western end of the map. It's south of the Wisla/Vistula and just
> south of the forest/park
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>
> MIKE
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> Stange
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:31 PM
> To: Annegret Krause
> Cc: Rose Ingram; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
> Importance: High
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> Thank you for all of your feedback. It sounds as though Annegret may have
> the correct parish. Could Karolinenhof be Karolin?w? Is there a village by
> this name that would be in close proximity to Secymin?
>
> Thanks again,
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Annegret Krause <
> krause.annegret at t-online.de> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I think, "Zetzemin" means the village Secymin. Between 1939 and 1945
>> Secymin
>> belonged to Kreis (county) Ploehnen/Plonsk.
>>
>> Annegret
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Annegret Krause
>> Am Teeberg 16
>> 29581 Bohlsen
>> Tel. 05808-671
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
>> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Stange
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:05 AM
>> To: Rose Ingram
>> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>>
>> The names were on a written family tree without sources. The time frame
>> would be 1930's. There is also a baptism location of "Zetzemin, Kr.
>> Ploehnen"??
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Rose Ingram wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> On what documentation did you find these places written? What time
>>> period?
>>>
>>> Rose Ingram
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Jim Stange 
>>> *To:* ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:42 PM
>>> *Subject:* [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>>>
>>> Does anyone recognize this place name in Poland:
>>>
>>> *Kreis Ploehnen* OR the village *Karolinenhof*?
>>>
>>> It may be in the area west of Wloclawek.
>>>
>>> I cannot find any alternate names in Polish or these locations on some
>>>       
> of
>   
>>> the old maps I have.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
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