[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polonization of German names

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Wed Jan 7 16:06:02 PST 2009 

Also Zuetz, and Zütz


Al Mujth


-----Original Message-----
From: Sigrid Pohl Perry <perry1121 at aol.com>
To: Joan <forsoftsong at yahoo.com>
Cc: Volhynia German <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 7:00 pm
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Joan,
 suggest that Zietz would be a viable spelling for Cyttz. I have seen 
t while indexing for the Lublin Project. Zitts would also be possible.
Sigrid
Joan wrote:
 With the example below in mind, how Zimemr (Zimer) has been Polonized to 
   Cymer or Czymer, does anyone know what this name could be?
    
   My great-great-grandmother on my Mom's paternal side is listed in the 
rchives 
   as Cyttz.  Could this then be, Zitts?   When I got the research from the 
olish
   archives, I found myself wondering what kind of name this could be?  I'd 
ever
   seen this spelling before.   
    
   Thanks, Joan  

   
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 ? I had the same experience with our German name ZIMMER ( Zimer ) being 
olonized to Czymer or Cymer ~~ than Russianized as well in certain FHL? records 
? I made a chart of all my names in all three langauges for research . Luckily 
 many of the records are indexed !
0D ??? MAGDA 

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 ? I had the same experience with our German name ZIMMER ( Zimer ) being 
olonized to Czymer or Cymer ~~ than Russianized as well in certain FHL? records 
? I made a chart of all my names in all three langauges for research aid.

 ??? MAGDA? ( Plock , Chodecz , Zambrow ....)

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 Message: 5
 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:31:11 -0500
 From: "Jim Stange" 
 Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
 To: "Annegret Krause" 
 Cc: Rose Ingram ,
 ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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 Thank you for all of your feedback. It sounds as though Annegret may have
 the correct parish. Could Karolinenhof be Karolin?w? Is there a village by
 this name that would be in close proximity to Secymin?

 Thanks again,
 Jim

 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Annegret Krause <
 krause.annegret at t-online.de> wrote:

   
> Hi Jim,
>
> I think, "Zetzemin" means the village Secymin. Between 1939 and 1945
> Secymin
> belonged to Kreis (county) Ploehnen/Plonsk.
>
> Annegret
>
>
> ________________________________________
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> 29581 Bohlsen
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Stange
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:05 AM
> To: Rose Ingram
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>
> The names were on a written family tree without sources. The time frame
> would be 1930's. There20is also a baptism location of "Zetzemin, Kr.
> Ploehnen"??
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Rose Ingram wrote:
>
>     
>> Jim,
>>
>> On what documentation did you find these places written? What time
>> period?
>>
>> Rose Ingram
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jim Stange 
>> *To:* ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:42 PM
>> *Subject:* [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>>
>> Does anyone recognize this place name in Poland:
>>
>> *Kreis Ploehnen* OR the village *Karolinenhof*?
>>
>> It may be in the area west of Wloclawek.
>>
>> I cannot find any alternate names in Polish or these locations on some of
>> the old maps I have.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>
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 Message: 6
 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:01:18 +0100
 From: "Dr. Frank Stewner" 
 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Landkreis Ploehnen
 To: 
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 There is a German link to that in Wikipedia: on
e has to look on the German 
ikipedia under http://de.wikipedia.org/
 and search vor "Landkreis Ploehnen" and go for the first result.
 You will realise that that Landkreis was named for Plonsk after the 
Polenfeldzug" late 1939 and existed only until the beginning of 1945. Otto is 
ight again! It's like Litzmannstadt for Lodz.

 Concerning Karolinenhof: there are 20 locations mentionned by Kartenmeister: 
 the link is http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseuwe.asp

 Frank

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 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:13:45 EST
 From: HeinrichRichter1 at aol.com
 Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] LDS lab site
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 Hello:
 I have tried, without success, to locate a copy of my grandfather's birth 
 record using the LDS lab site. My grandfather's name is Gustav Richter and 
 according to the St Pete records he was born on Nov 11, 1872 in Tumaschew, and 
> that his birth is recorded on page 550. I have reviewed all of the possible 
 parishes displayed under the Volyn index and have searched the year ranges 
 before and after the recorded birth year, 1872 without any luck. 
 I would appreciate advice or suggestions from someone familiar with this 
 procedure. 

 Thank you,
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 Date: Wed, 07 J
an 2009 14:50:18 -0500
 From: "MIKE MCHENRY" 
 Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
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 There is a Karolin?w in Secymin. In Mapwig map P39_S31_ Modlin its toward
 the North western end of the map. It's south of the Wisla/Vistula and just
 south of the forest/park


 MIKE



 -----Original Message-----
 From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
 [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
 Stange
 Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:31 PM
 To: Annegret Krause
 Cc: Rose Ingram; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
 Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
 Importance: High

 Thank you for all of your feedback. It sounds as though Annegret may have
 the correct parish. Could Karolinenhof be Karolin?w? Is there a village by
 this name that would be in close proximity to Secymin?

 Thanks again,
 Jim

 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Annegret Krause <
 krause.annegret at t-online.de> wrote:

   
> Hi Jim,
>
> I think, "Zetzemin" means the village Secymin. Between 1939 and 1945
> Secymin
> belonged to Kreis (county) Ploehnen/Plonsk.
>
> Annegret
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Annegret Krause
> Am Teeberg 16
> 29581 Bohlsen
> Tel. 05808-671
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Jim
> Stange
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:05 AM
> To: Rose Ingram=0
D> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>
> The names were on a written family tree without sources. The time frame
> would be 1930's. There is also a baptism location of "Zetzemin, Kr.
> Ploehnen"??
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Rose Ingram wrote:
>
>     
>> Jim,
>>
>> On what documentation did you find these places written? What time
>> period?
>>
>> Rose Ingram
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jim Stange 
>> *To:* ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:42 PM
>> *Subject:* [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Karolinenhof
>>
>> Does anyone recognize this place name in Poland:
>>
>> *Kreis Ploehnen* OR the village *Karolinenhof*?
>>
>> It may be in the area west of Wloclawek.
>>
>> I cannot find any alternate names in Polish or these locations on some
>>       
 of
   
>> the old maps I have.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/listserv
>>
>>
>>       
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