[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9
kenneth krawczyk
kenkraw at hotmail.com
Mon May 4 14:49:04 PDT 2009
I had the 37 marker YDNA as well as the mtDNA done at familytreedna.com, and it didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. I'm R1a1, which is basically Eastern European, and German/Scandanavian on the mtDNA, with a Haplogroup J1a.
No reall matches on anything above 12 markers either, which is a real disappointment.
Ken Krawczyk
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> 1. Re: Anyone on the list had any DNA testing done (Earl.Schultz)
> 2. Re: Anyone on the list had any DNA testing done
> (gary and rhonda simpson)
> 3. Re: Anyone on the list had any DNA testing done (Earl.Schultz)
> 4. Re: DNA testing (GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net)
> 5. Re: DNA testing (Greg Mason)
> 6. Re: DNA testing (Nelson Itterman)
> 7. DNA (Carol Duff)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:14:57 -0500
> From: "Earl.Schultz" <Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA
> testing done
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> I've had both my y-DNA and mtDNA tested and also submitted my DNA to the
> Sorenson Project.
>
> My y-DNA (paternal) gives an I1a haplogroup which is Northern Europe and
> Scandinavian, similar to the Vikings but a different branch. My mtDNA
> (maternal) gives a U5 (Ursula) haplogroup which is also Scandinavian. I
> have not found any close matches with others in the groups where I have
> submitted my DNA results.
>
> Interestingly, my genealogy research on my maternal line and several other
> lines were pointing strongly to a Netherlands heritage. My "German" names
> such as Leichnitz, Baar, Kleps are more common in the Scandinavian countries
> as Likeness, Barr and Klepsch. Similarly my "Meister", Fagin, Fitsch are
> variations of well known UK names Master, Fagin and Fitch.
>
> With both lines pointing to Scandinavian ancestry, I am very keen to find
> the link to that area and also to connect by DNA to others in the
> Netherlands. Many of my closest connections in the Sorenson database are UK
> and Scandinavian though any connection much more than 10 generations ago.
>
> Earl
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 15:40:18 -0400
> From: gswilson19 at aol.com
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA testing
> done
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> I'm curious whether anyone on this list has had DNA testing done on
> themselves or their relatives.? And if so, what Haplo group they found their
> ancestors to be from.
>
> Gail
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:53:02 -0500
> From: "gary and rhonda simpson" <garynrho at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA
> testing done
> To: "Earl.Schultz" <Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>,
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> Your Swedish/Scandinavian roots may lead you back to the 30 years
> war under Gustav II of Sweden. During and after this war, many remained in
> the "taken" lands. I have always suspected my paternal
> Russian/German/Polish Litz line was Swedish, with the earliest records of
> the name showing up in Scandinavia in the 15 and 1600's. Just a little
> observation, and possible clue!
> I haven't had my DNA done, but I know on my maternal side, all ancestors
> back to the 1500's are from Sweden (I'm 2nd gen Canadian on all sides).
>
> Rhonda
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:44:56 -0500
> From: "Earl.Schultz" <Earl.Schultz at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA
> testing done
> To: "'gary and rhonda simpson'" <garynrho at gmail.com>,
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> Yes, I agree, Rhonda. My Leichnitz line which goes back the farthest first
> shows up in the Thorn records about 1675 and some other Leichnitz
> individuals show up in Poland around 1640. It is difficult finding records
> prior to those dates but the Thorn records go back to about 1608. I do
> suspect that many of my names are rare German names because they are recent
> German names with their arrival in the 1600s like after the Gustav II and
> likely brought in to help clear the swamps and build windmills.
>
> Earl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gary and rhonda simpson [mailto:garynrho at gmail.com]
> Sent: May 3, 2009 2:53 PM
> To: Earl.Schultz; ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Anyone on the list had any DNA testing
> done
>
>
> Your Swedish/Scandinavian roots may lead you back to the 30 years
> war under Gustav II of Sweden. During and after this war, many remained in
> the "taken" lands. I have always suspected my paternal Russian/German/Polish
> Litz line was Swedish, with the earliest records of the name showing up in
> Scandinavia in the 15 and 1600's. Just a little observation, and possible
> clue!
> I haven't had my DNA done, but I know on my maternal side, all ancestors
> back to the 1500's are from Sweden (I'm 2nd gen Canadian on all sides).
>
> Rhonda
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:05:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA testing
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> The results of DNA testing whether mitochrondial or haplotyping are very interesting, especially in a specialized group represented by this mail list, I am wondering however how often these somewhat expensive studies?have proven useful at either establishing or disproving a genealogy link to another individual and thus extending or pruning a line? Although knowing ancient origins may be of interest as the subject?for a?cocktail?discussion, ?if that is all DNA testing is able to provide at the moment then its utility is still limited.
>
>
>
> Have any of you had specific?examples where connections were made or assumptions were disproved?? If so, were they something more than resolution of a question or paternity or did they make a major change in your research?
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:06:01 -0400
> From: Greg Mason <gmason001 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA testing
> To: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Gary: You have raised a very important question and one about which I
> can speak with a fair degree of positive personal experience. For 30
> years I had a brick wall at the 3d great grandfather in my paternal
> line. About 5 years ago a distant cousin and I began some serious Y
> DNA research (and establishment of a study group) which led to
> breaking that brick wall and "confirming" what I had suspected for
> many years. My suspicions were based on circumstantial evidence;
> fortunately, he had a solid paper trail back to a person whom
> ultimately became our common 4th great grandfather. With the
> results of 67 marker Y DNA testing, together with detailed historical
> analysis of male children and siblings of that 4th great grandfather,
> I am now able to assume my 3d great grandfather's identity with a 95%
> assurance. Now, a purist would argue that I still do not have a
> "concrete evidence" which "proves" my lineage. I'll take my
> circumstantial evidence, our lineage analysis, and the Y DNA 95%
> assurance and stack it up against most of the results I have seen in
> recent years that passes for "genealogical research." My surname
> lineage and this testing story do not relate to the SGGEE data bases,
> (which are rather on my wife's lineage) but I am responding to your
> comment because I believe you have raised an important point and one
> that most researchers must ultimately deal with as they make a
> decision of whether or not to proceed with DNA testing, especially
> YDNA. I do share your concerns about the limited utility of mtDNA
> testing, especially without the detailed paper trails. Thanks for
> raising this question. Greg Mason
>
>
> On May 3, 2009, at 7:05 PM, GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The results of DNA testing whether mitochrondial or haplotyping are
> > very interesting, especially in a specialized group represented by
> > this mail list, I am wondering however how often these somewhat
> > expensive studies have proven useful at either establishing or
> > disproving a genealogy link to another individual and thus extending
> > or pruning a line? Although knowing ancient origins may be of
> > interest as the subject for a cocktail discussion, if that is all
> > DNA testing is able to provide at the moment then its utility is
> > still limited.
> >
> >
> >
> > Have any of you had specific examples where connections were made or
> > assumptions were disproved? If so, were they something more than
> > resolution of a question or paternity or did they make a major
> > change in your research?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:05:09 -0600
> From: "Nelson Itterman" <colnels at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA testing
> To: "'Greg Mason'" <gmason001 at comcast.net>, <GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Hello Greg:
> What a story, looks like miracles can happen. It appears that a diligent
> search could succeed. I am stuck in Volhynia with the story that the family
> came from Konigsburg, which Konigsburg? Ost Preussen or Preussen? There are
> several.
> Now you've got me on the hook. I have hit the wall with my 3rd great
> grandfather, on my paternal line, and have been wondering how I could reach
> further back. You give me hope. Could you direct me to a specific DNA
> research establishment so that I can start. You can contact me directly.
> Nelson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org
> [mailto:ger-poland-volhynia-bounces at eclipse.sggee.org] On Behalf Of Greg
> Mason
> Sent: May-03-09 6:06 PM
> To: GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA testing
>
>
> Gary: You have raised a very important question and one about which I can
> speak with a fair degree of positive personal experience. For 30 years I
> had a brick wall at the 3d great grandfather in my paternal line. About 5
> years ago a distant cousin and I began some serious Y DNA research (and
> establishment of a study group) which led to breaking that brick wall and
> "confirming" what I had suspected for many years. My suspicions were based
> on circumstantial evidence; fortunately, he had a solid paper trail back to
> a person whom
> ultimately became our common 4th great grandfather. With the
> results of 67 marker Y DNA testing, together with detailed historical
> analysis of male children and siblings of that 4th great grandfather, I am
> now able to assume my 3d great grandfather's identity with a 95% assurance.
> Now, a purist would argue that I still do not have a "concrete evidence"
> which "proves" my lineage. I'll take my circumstantial evidence, our
> lineage analysis, and the Y DNA 95% assurance and stack it up against most
> of the results I have seen in recent years that passes for "genealogical
> research." My surname lineage and this testing story do not relate to the
> SGGEE data bases, (which are rather on my wife's lineage) but I am
> responding to your comment because I believe you have raised an important
> point and one that most researchers must ultimately deal with as they make
> a decision of whether or not to proceed with DNA testing, especially YDNA.
> I do share your concerns about the limited utility of mtDNA testing,
> especially without the detailed paper trails. Thanks for raising this
> question. Greg Mason
>
>
> On May 3, 2009, at 7:05 PM, GARY.RUPPERT at comcast.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The results of DNA testing whether mitochrondial or haplotyping are
> > very interesting, especially in a specialized group represented by
> > this mail list, I am wondering however how often these somewhat
> > expensive studies have proven useful at either establishing or
> > disproving a genealogy link to another individual and thus extending
> > or pruning a line? Although knowing ancient origins may be of interest
> > as the subject for a cocktail discussion, if that is all DNA testing
> > is able to provide at the moment then its utility is still limited.
> >
> >
> >
> > Have any of you had specific examples where connections were made or
> > assumptions were disproved? If so, were they something more than
> > resolution of a question or paternity or did they make a major change
> > in your research?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org Mailing list info at
> > http://www.sggee.org/listserv
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:14:46 -0500
> From: Carol Duff <cmduff at redwing.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA
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> I had DNA tested at Ancestry, from my brother. It is R1b. Perhaps the
> following means something to someone or perhaps someone has a suggest
> for farther research. This brought me no closer than 15 generations,
> both of whome seem unlikely connections as I know 15 generations back. Carol
> DYS 19a 14,
> DYS 19b-,
> DYS 385a 11, DYS 385b 15, DYS 388 12, DYS 389I 14, DYS 389II 30, DYS 390
> 23, DYS 391 11,
> DYS 392 13, DYS 393 13, DYS 426 12, DYS 437 15, DYS 438 12, DYS 439 12,
> DYS 441 14,
> DYS 442 17, DYS 444 12, DYS 445 12, DYS 446 14, DYS 447 25, DYS 448 20,
> DYS 449 29,
> DYS 452 31, DYS 454 11, DYS 455 11, DYS 456 15, DYS 458 18, DYS 459a 9,
> DYS 459b 10,
> DYS 460 10, DYS 461 12, DYS 462 11, DYS 463 24, DYS 464a 15, DYS 464b
> 15, DYS 464c 16,
> DYS 464d 17, DYS 464e -, DYS 464f -, GAAT 1B07 10, YCA IIa 19, YCA IIb
> 23, GATA A10 14,
> DYS 635 23, GATA H4.1 22
>
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