[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Why? was: Reading Handwritten Russian

[Richard Benert]

Bob,
Jerry is right.  The Revolutions of 1848 did not strike root in Warsaw, 
except that some Polish revolutionaries went to help the Hungarians fighting 
against the Austrian government. Nicholas I, fearing that a successful 
national movement of Hungarians against a fellow emperor might give the 
Poles ideas of doing the same, sent troops to defeat the Hungarians.  The 
involvement of Polish revolutionaries only served to confirm in Russian 
minds how untrustworthy they were, a suspicion further confirmed in 1863. 
The 1863 Revolution was certainly the cause of the most severe Russian 
clampdown on Poland, but the Polish Revolution of 1830 had already caused a 
partial abrogation of the fairly lenient arrangements of 1815. Riasanovsky's 
history of Russia tells us that, for example, the Warsaw school district was 
incorporated then into the Russian education ministry (1839), and they tried 
to enforce the use of Russian in Polish secondary schools and in the Polish 
administration. I guess the question is, how successful were they before 
1867?  In addition, Polish writers were severely censored throughout this 
period (as were Russians). I hope this adds more clarification than 
confusion.

Dick B.

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From: "Jerry Frank" <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:15 PM
To: <Krampetz at aol.com>
Cc: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Why? was: Reading Handwritten Russian

> Actually, Poland lost status as a country in 1815 so it was Russia from 
> that point on.  The Russians allowed some semi-autonomy so they were 
> allowed to use their language, run their own schools, etc. with little 
> interference from Russia.  There were several uprisings and rebellions 
> over the next 50 years.  It was the one in 1863 that finally caused Russia 
> to clamp down on the Poles, enforcing, among other things, the Russian 
> language as that of education and government beginning in 1867.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Krampetz at aol.com
> Date: Monday, August 8, 2011 9:00 pm
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Why?    was:  Reading Handwritten Russian
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>
>> I also received records,  in handwritten Russian,
>> from the  1880's.
>>
>> My understanding was that Russia suppressed an uprising in 1848
>> in their partition of Poland.  That triggered their demand
>> on all  in
>> their region to use Russian in all documentation and  writings.
>> They also began "educating" all that they now were part of Russia
>> and their Poland no longer existed.    (The
>> reason why  emigrants
>> from Poland, of that time, gave "Russia" as their home country!)
>>
>> Did that all take 20 years to take hold?  Or were those
>> orders not
>> made until some 20 years later?   Or?
>>
>> My family tree has many names, dates and places - but am more
>> interested
>> right now in my ancestor's stories (which they didn't leave, so
>> I  must
>> reconstruct what I can).     Insights
>> appreciated.
>> Bob Krampetz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 08/07/11 08:05:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight
>> Time,
>> perry1121 at aol.com writes:
>>
>> We also
>> found that between 1868 and WWI almost all records were written
>> in
>> Cyrillic because the Russian Empire controlled much of  Poland.
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