[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Translation question

[Jerry Frank]

Just to clarify, Karen - the "Krug" part translates as pub or tavern.  The rest of the word in context has to do with the right to sell alcohol.  I believe these taverns also usually had rooms available for overnight stays.

I am currently working on an index of the places shown on the 1803 Gilley map and there are numerous named Krug on it.

Jerry






----- Original Message -----
From: K A <kander25 at cableone.net>
Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011 10:10 am
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Translation question
To: Otto <otto at schienke.com>
Cc: GPV List <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>

> Otto and others,
> 
> Thank you for the information and the link. I'm satisfied that
> Kruggerrechtigkeit is an old word meaning the right sell beer, 
> and can
> reasonably be translated as pub or tavern. This fits with the 
> context of the
> original document.
> 
> This list is great!
> 
> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Otto <otto at schienke.com> wrote:
> 
> >  Karen asked:
> > "I would like to know the meaning of: Kruggerechtigkeit."
> >
> > Karen,
> > Begin here: At the bottom of the Heidelberg U. website's page 
> are menus,
> > one can go to the next page or the last page—
> > click on the URL
> >
> > http://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw-
> cgi/zeige?db=drw&index=lemmata&term=Krugsgerechtigkeit&bd8_11=Faksimile>
> >  —
> > A bit more on 'krug' and krüger: Inns and innkeepers, similar 
> to German inn
> > or tavern or innkeeper, 'schenke'.
> >
> > >"I am wondering about the Low-Saxon-derived family name 
> Kröger. Its German
> > equivalent is Krüger. Both mean “innkeeper” or “publican” and 
> are based on
> > words for ‘pitcher’ or ‘jug’: Low Saxon *Kroog* (plural 
> *Kröge* > *Krög’*),
> > German *Krug* (plural *Krüge*). In extension, these have come 
> to mean
> > ‘tavern’, ‘public (drinking) house’ as well (including Low-
> Saxon-derived *
> > krogi* in Latvian).
> >
> > This is analogous to Western Slavic. Originating in Eastern 
> Germany, the
> > “German” surnames Kretschmar and Kretschmer are not uncommon 
> and occur here
> > in North America as well. (Kretschmer is my maternal 
> grandmother’s maiden
> > name, and she was clearly at least partly of Sorbian descent.) 
> “Publican” is
> > *korčmar* in Modern Upper Sorbian, *kjarcmaŕ* in Lower 
> Sorbian, and *
> > krčmár* in Slovak. A pub is *krčmy* in Slovak, while the 
> Sorbian cognates
> > seem to be lost. However, Eastern German (used in [formerly]
> > Sorbian-speaking areas) still use the Sorbian loanword 
> *Kretschme*, the
> > Yiddish cognate being *kretshme*(קרעטשמע, and ‘innkeeper being 
> *kretshmer*>  [קרעטשמער]) Apparently, all this goes back to 
> an Old Slavic cognate (**
> > krugь*?) of the aforementioned Germanic words *Kroog* and 
> *Krug*. The
> > etymology of these are not clear but may have something to do 
> with roundness
> > (e.g. Slavic **krokь* ‘circle’).
> >
> > Old English *crōc* clearly belongs to this group of words as 
> well. And
> > what of Old English *crocc* and* crocca*. All of them are 
> supposed to go
> > back to Germanic **krogu* ‘jug’, ‘pot’ (> Old.Frisian *krocha* 
> ‘pot’, Old
> > Saxon *kruka*, Middle Dutch *cruke*, Old German *kruog* 
> ‘pitcher,’ ‘jug’,
> > Old Norse *krukka* ‘pot’ (cf. ‘jug’: Latvian*krūze*, Russian 
> diminutive *
> > kružka* [*кружка*], the latter of which suggests the non-
> diminutive form *
> > *krug(ь)*)
> >
> >
> > In addition to *Kroog* (for the container), Low Saxon has 
> *Kruuk* < *Kruke
> > *, which German borrowed as *Kruke*. All this is supposed to 
> go back to
> > Middle Dutch *cruke* which later became *kruik*. I assume that 
> the Dutch
> > surname Cruikschank* *is the equivalent of Kröger and Krüger, more
> > specifically someone that pours libations for others from a 
> jug~<"   —*R.
> > F. Hahn, Lowlands-L*
> >
> > . . .   Otto
> >          " The 
> Zen moment..." wk. of January 01, 2011-
> >                   _____________________________________
> >                                 "Everything . . .  isasis"
> >
> >
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