Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Scmidt ans Scheulze; now Rożyszcze marriages 1862-1895

Gary Warner garyw555 at
Wed Apr 25 14:39:03 PDT 2012


Good posting.

One small correction is that all of the St. Petersburg (or VKP) data on 
the SGGEE website is in the public (free) area of the website.


On 4/25/2012 1:53 PM, Albert Muth wrote:
> Hi Marlene,
> I do not know if you have taken your research back
> to looking at films for Briesen.
> Be careful that you choose the correct one. There are
>     - at least 20 back in Prussia and other areas of Germany.
>     - The information on Rożyszcze film 2380026 is unequivocal and points to
>     Briesen, Kreis Czarnikau, Posen.
> This has nothing to do with the city in West Prussia.
> Your Briesen is now Nowe Brzeźno located at N 52° 54' E 16°37'
> about 3.4 km. East-ish of Czarnikau.
> The 1866 #37 record is for Carl Schuetze and Wilhelmine Schmidt.
> The 1872 #7 record for the marriage of Johann Gottlieb Schmidt
> and Christine Gering also names his mother's maiden name,
> if you do not have this. I am pretty certain that the marriage
> of Michael Schmidt is recorded in the Posen Marriage Project.
> His birth in Briesen, as stated.
> Her birth in "Polen" (that limits it....; guess you have to pray that when
> some of her siblings to get married in Rożyszcze, they name the specific
> place).  Polen in 1872 means Russian Poland, specifically excludes
> Prussian Poland
> Speaking generally now about the specifics of Rożyszcze
> parish found in the 238- series (marriages are films #2380026 through
> 2380029).
> If you have a Rożyszcze marriage that you have found
> in the the Stpete database (known at SGGEE as St.
> Petersburg consistory or VKP), then you need to
> rent the film from the 238- series to extract the information
> that the stpete database lacks.
> The stpete database (as the original Consistory record
> from which the database transcribes) has merely the
> name of groom, bride, and a date.
>   The Rożyszcze records of the 238- series are real
> parish records, unlike any of the other Volhynian parishes
> in the stpete consistory  The real record usually
> provides the age of bride and groom, full names of
> parents, place of residence, place of birth.  If
> widowed, then instead of parents, the name of the
> previous spouse.
> The complete set of Rożyszcze marriages from
> 1862 to 1895 is not yet indexed, except for the
> years not in stpete. Currently, 1885-1895 are searchable
> in the VKP index (for SGGEE members only).
> Even when I complete indexing the years 1862-1884
> (this is still my project, I believe). the record will
> only have the names of groom and bride, marriage
> date, and information to find the record on the
> microfilm.  In 1862, there are 18 marriages.  In 1866, there
> are found 46 marriages. In 1870, there take place 107 marriages.
> In 1875, pastors celebrated 220 marriages.  Before
> Rożyszcze parish split off a new parish in Wladimir
> Wolinsk (a town known in Polish as Włodzimierz, in
> Ukrainian as Володимир-Волинський), there were
> said to be 40,000 members of Rożyszcze parish!
> This number of people in a church would be
> unsustainable!  No wonder this is a massive
> emigration from Volhynia to the New
> World in the 1890's and early years of 1900's.
> Happy searching
> Al Muth
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marlene Dopp<skylane at>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 6:06 pm
>> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Scmidt ans Scheulze
>> To: ger-poland-volhynia at
>>> My 2nd grandfather Michael Schmidt emigrated from Brisen,
>>> Czarnikau,Posen, West Prussia to Volhynia in the mid
>>> 1800s.  He was a widow at the
>>> time and  2 of his children went with him.  They were
>>> Gottlieb, born 17 Sep.
>>> 1842 and Enestine Wilhelmine,  born 19 Sep 1844.
>>> Gottlieb married Christina
>>> Goering in Rozyczcze  Parish in 1872.  Enestine
>>> married Carl Scheulze in
>>> 1866, also in Volhynia.  I have  a marriage record
>>> for  Enestine and Carl
>>> although I have never found them on the MPD.  I would like
>>> to know if they
>>> had children in Volhynia .  Gottlieb and his new family and
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