[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Please recommend a good history book
Richard Benert
benovich at imt.net
Fri Apr 27 13:34:38 PDT 2012
Freda,
You have now discovered the sad fact that there is a shortage of book-length
treatments of Germans in Volhynia in English. But there are a few. At the
top of the list I would put Kate Brown, "A Biography of No Place. From
Ethnic Borderland to Soviet Heartland" (Cambridge, 2004). It deals with all
the ethnic groups in Volhynia, not just Germans, but for that reason will
give you a more complete picture than our ethnically-centered approaches
usually provide. Another book in English which touches on Volhynian Germans
in the World War One period is Eric Lohr, "Nationalizing the Russian Empire.
The Campaign Against Enemy Aliens During World War I." (Cambridge, 2003).
Also, from AHSGR in Lincoln, NE, you can get Leona Janke's translation of
Alfred Karasek-Langer and Elfrieda Strzygowski's "Introduction to the
Legends of the Germans in Volhynia and Polesye" (Posen, 1938). It appears
to have been published by AHSGR in 2009, and for Volhynian German culture,
there's nothing like it. If the story of German Baptists in Volhynia is of
interest to you, see Don Miller's two books, "In the Midst of Wolves" and
"Under Arrest". The AHSGR Journal has occasionally included articles
relating to Volhynia, most notably some short pieces about JulJanow-Boratyn
in Vol. 10, No. 4 (Winter, 1987), and of course Ewald Wuschke published
"Wandering Volhynians" throughout the 1990s, if you can somehow get access
to them.
This should give you enough reading for awhile, at least!
Dick B.
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From: "Freda Stobaugh" <fredabecker at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:42 PM
To: <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Please recommend a good history book
> Thanks for the replies so far in regards to my request for Volhynian
> History Books. I've already read everything I could find on the Internet
> and still craving more information. If any books come to mind that cover
> between 1875 and 1910, regardless how brief or thorough, your reply will
> be much appreciated.
>
> I also wanted to add that thanks to the good folks in this forum I've
> managed to pinpoint on both old and new maps the cities of birth of my
> father and his siblings in Volhynia.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Freda Becker
>
>
>
>
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> 1. Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege Meines Lebens by George
> Tomesch (Natalie Nieminen)
> 2. Re: Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege Meines Lebens by George
> Tomesch (shoning at q.com)
> 3. VKP Marriage Records/Films (Dave Yakel)
> 4. Re: Tiefenbacher, (Reiner Kerp)
> 5. Re: Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege Meines Lebens by George
> Tomesch (Jerry Frank)
> 6. Please recommend a good history book (Freda Stobaugh)
> 7. 1899 Russian cities (Richard Boltz)
> 8. Re: Please recommend a good history book (Helen Gillespie)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:49:48 -0400
> From: Natalie Nieminen <natalie.nieminen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege Meines
> Lebens by George Tomesch
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Greetings.
>
> I am slowly translating my grandfather George Tomesch's self-published
> autobiography "Kreuzwege meines Lebens". In it he describes his life
> through WW2 in Gdynia, Lodz and the labor camps in Donbas, along with his
> subsequent life in Canada. My grandfather believes that most of his
> family
> came from Lodz and in one part of the book he mentions "Da der
> evangelische
> Friedhof unweit der Wisner Uliza sich befand, besuchten wir manchmal auch
> die Graber von Oma und Opa Tomesch, sowie die der Weiteren Tomesch
> Sippschaft."
>
> I've translated this to: "Since the Protestant cemetery was near the
> Ulitsa
> Wisner, we sometimes visited the graves of grandma and grandpa Tomesch,
> and
> the rest of the Tomesch clan."
>
> So my question is, what is Ulitsa Wisner? Is it a street? Does this
> cemetery still exist? Are there transcriptions of it?
>
> Also, does anyone know if there are records available for St.
> Johanniskirche in Lodz during the 1920s+?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Natalie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:37:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: shoning at q.com
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege
> Meines Lebens by George Tomesch
> To: Natalie Nieminen <natalie.nieminen at gmail.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID:
>
> <677192311.1610454.1335472642208.JavaMail.root at md05.quartz.synacor.com>
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> The Russian word for "street" is "?????" and is transliterated and
> pronounced "ulitsa". Perhaps there was a major thoroughfare with the name
> of "Wisner", that is, "Wisner Street" to which your grandfather is making
> reference. Also, consider the following possible translations:
> - "evangelische" as "Lutheran"
> - "weiteren Tomesch Sippshaft" as "the greater Tomesch clan".
>
> George Shoning
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Natalie Nieminen" <natalie.nieminen at gmail.com>
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:49:48 PM
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege Meines
> Lebens by George Tomesch
>
> Greetings.
>
> I am slowly translating my grandfather George Tomesch's self-published
> autobiography "Kreuzwege meines Lebens". In it he describes his life
> through WW2 in Gdynia, Lodz and the labor camps in Donbas, along with his
> subsequent life in Canada. My grandfather believes that most of his
> family
> came from Lodz and in one part of the book he mentions "Da der
> evangelische
> Friedhof unweit der Wisner Uliza sich befand, besuchten wir manchmal auch
> die Graber von Oma und Opa Tomesch, sowie die der Weiteren Tomesch
> Sippschaft."
>
> I've translated this to: "Since the Protestant cemetery was near the
> Ulitsa
> Wisner, we sometimes visited the graves of grandma and grandpa Tomesch,
> and
> the rest of the Tomesch clan."
>
> So my question is, what is Ulitsa Wisner? Is it a street? Does this
> cemetery still exist? Are there transcriptions of it?
>
> Also, does anyone know if there are records available for St.
> Johanniskirche in Lodz during the 1920s+?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Natalie
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:58:36 -0400
> From: Dave Yakel <djyakel at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] VKP Marriage Records/Films
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> If I order Film #1884104, would I get more information than what is in the
> VKP records below?
>
> Also, I see the records have Kamionka, Kamenka and Antonettenthal which is
> called a colony. Would the colony be near Kamenka or what would be the
> set
> up?
>
>
> I am researching the Zipps & Rucks. Because both my grandparents died
> before my parents were married, I have not been able to go farther than my
> Ruck Grandmother.
>
> Janice Yakel
>
>
>
>
> ZippGottfried26-May1883NemirowPodolia Roller
> Friederike1884104-2/185736314"27y,
> ledig, Leutnant, Sohn des Arztes Joseph, katholisch; 17y, ledig, Tochter
> des + Paechters Homer IfMakenson;"
>
> ZippGottfried7-May1850KamionkaPodolia Mueller Maria
> Charlotte1884104-2/1857
> 36315"35y, ledig, Sohn des Gutsbesitzers Johann in Bodenheim; 19y, ledig,
> Tochter des + Tuchscherers Martin Kraft"
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:01:07 +0200
> From: Reiner Kerp <mail at reiner-kerp.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Tiefenbacher,
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <4F99B793.10508 at reiner-kerp.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Am 25.04.2012 16:36, schrieb Gary Warner:
>
> [...]
>
> for a Diefenbach, Michael - a Family of 3 persons which moved on - see:
>
> http://reiner-kerp.de/Migranten/pafg145.htm#1042
>
> and a
>
> Diefenbacher-Family:
>
> http://reiner-kerp.de/Migranten/pafg103.htm#6762C
>
> (top of page).
>
>
> --
> Mit sch?nen Gr??en aus Landsberg am Lech,
>
> Reiner (Kerp)
>
> mailto:mail at reiner-kerp.de
>
> im web: http://reiner-kerp.de
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:27:48 -0600
> From: Jerry Frank <FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege
> Meines Lebens by George Tomesch
> To: Natalie Nieminen <natalie.nieminen at gmail.com>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <fbaad7e9c0dff.4f997784 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Using Google Maps and these coordinates 51.777632,19.43592 you will find
> the main cemetery in Lodz which includes a Lutheran section.? It is
> possible there were others but I suspect this is the one referred to.?
> However, I have not been able to find a historical map of Lodz with street
> names that would help to confirm the reference to Ulitsa Wisner.
>
> It is a huge cemetery so it would take some effort to find the graves.? I
> am going to be there in two weeks but will not have time to do any
> cemetery research.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Natalie Nieminen <natalie.nieminen at gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:52 pm
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Cemetery in Lodz, book Kreuzwege Meines
> Lebens by George Tomesch
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> I am slowly translating my grandfather George Tomesch's self-published
>> autobiography "Kreuzwege meines Lebens".? In it he
>> describes his life
>> through WW2 in Gdynia, Lodz and the labor camps in Donbas, along
>> with his
>> subsequent life in Canada.? My grandfather believes that
>> most of his family
>> came from Lodz and in one part of the book he mentions "Da der
>> evangelischeFriedhof unweit der Wisner Uliza sich befand,
>> besuchten wir manchmal auch
>> die Graber von Oma und Opa Tomesch, sowie die der Weiteren Tomesch
>> Sippschaft."
>>
>> I've translated this to: "Since the Protestant cemetery was near
>> the Ulitsa
>> Wisner, we sometimes visited the graves of grandma and grandpa
>> Tomesch, and
>> the rest of the Tomesch clan."
>>
>> So my question is, what is Ulitsa Wisner?? Is it a
>> street?? Does this
>> cemetery still exist?? Are there transcriptions of it?
>>
>> Also, does anyone know if there are records available for St.
>> Johanniskirche in Lodz during the 1920s+?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Natalie
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ger-Poland-Volhynia Mailing List hosted by
>> Society for German Genealogy in Eastern Europe http://www.sggee.org
>> Mailing list info at http://www.sggee.org/communicate/mailing_list
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:01:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Freda Stobaugh <fredabecker at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Please recommend a good history book
> To: "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
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> Hello all,
>
> I'd love to learn as much as possible about the history of Volhynia
> beginning approximately 1875 to 1910. My grandparents lived in Volhynia
> during that time and had 6 children there before migrating to America in
> 1909. Can anyone please recommend a good book, in English, for
> understanding the history, culture, and/or political and religious factors
> that influenced settlers into Volhynia as well as the mass exodus to North
> America.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Freda Becker
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:34:06 -0500
> From: Richard Boltz <ricardo.tornillo.g at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] 1899 Russian cities
> To: Germans SGGEE <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> A Russian student translated my grandfather's passport, who was a German
> living in Russia (I think).
> The translation said it was in the Kovensky Province issued in Kovn-Ugolya
> on the 3rd day in 1899 for 10 Rubles.
>
> I think this may have been Kovno or Kowno (present day Kaunas, Lithuania,
> based on where my grandfather lived.
> It would have been on the main railroad line through East Prussia to
> Russia making it easy to get to.
>
> Has anyone heard of that city or province in the 1899 time period?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Helen Gillespie <hgillespie at rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Please recommend a good history
> book
> To: "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>, Freda Stobaugh
> <fredabecker at yahoo.com>
> Message-ID:
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>
> A bare bones history is avlb on line
> ?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volhynia??
> ?
> plus there are a number of links to other bits of history of the area
> ?
> like this about the immigration of Germans FROM Wolhynia in 1939-49
> ?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_areas_annexed_by_Nazi_Germany
> ?
> Any history text I have seen in English is, unfortunately, pretty short on
> details.
>
>
> Helen
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> The wise man must remember that while he is a descendant of the past, he
> is a parent of the future.
> --Herbert Spencer
>
> --- On Fri, 4/27/12, Freda Stobaugh <fredabecker at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Freda Stobaugh <fredabecker at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Please recommend a good history book
> To: "ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org"
> <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
> Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 3:01 AM
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'd love to learn as much as possible about the history of Volhynia
> beginning approximately 1875 to 1910. My grandparents lived in Volhynia
> during that time and had 6 children there before migrating to America in
> 1909. Can anyone please recommend a good book, in English, for
> understanding the history, culture, and/or political and religious factors
> that influenced settlers into Volhynia as well as the mass exodus to North
> America.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Freda Becker
> _______________________________________________
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