Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] not everyone came from Württemberg

Lloyd Friedrick lloydfriedrick at
Sat Apr 28 20:43:03 PDT 2012

I found my family origin in Germany by discovering a short comment in of my 
grandfathers record in the SGGEE data files.

He was born and lived a short time in Darnstadt, Hessen, Germany before 
emigrating to Rozyszcze Parish in Volhynia approx 1790 - 1799

It seems many Germans from Hesson did the same.

lloyd friedrick in Canada

-----Original Message----- 
From: Beatrix Hughes
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:22 PM
To: Albert Muth
Cc: Ger-Poland-Volhynia
Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] not everyone came from Württemberg

I found a book in google books that may interest people who are wondering
where their families beamed down into Poland from. It has some crucial
pages missing but it is still a good read. Don't rule out the possibility
that some of our ancestors could have come from the British Isles, the
Netherlands or Italy. The pages 50-54 are particularly interesting.

The book is called "Urban Societies in East-Central Europe 1500-1700"

(and somewhere in Ohio, Otto is smiling. Thanks Otto!!)

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Albert Muth <albertmuth734 at>wrote:

> It seems to come up often enough that someone's remote family origin,
> the one where ancestors lived before migrating to Russian Poland
> or Volhynia, was Württemberg.  Well, some settlers did come from there.
> I have seen this origin often for settlers in Ozorków, Gostynin, Gąbin,
> Wyszogród and sporadically elsewhere.  Sometimes,
> people have successfully traced families back to before 1600 in
> Württemberg.
> Me, I am very jealous of people who can trace that kind of
> ancestry in Germany.  I cannot.  My Muth line "beamed down"
> into Poland about 1794, which is when they appear in the
> South Prussian land records. No clue there about origin.
> The family tradition says we came from Elsaß, the
> surname was originally Demuth. Both surnames, Muth
> and Demuth existed in Elsaß.
> My Abraham line appears to be in the area South of
> Czarnikau (Posen region) going back into the 1600's,
> well, well before the time frame of the Partitions.
> To get a sense of where people came from before they
> came to a specific region of Poland, you need
> to become familiar with the Breyer map, from a
> 1935 article by researcher Albert Breyer
> called "Deutsche Gaue in Polen" published in the
> *Ostdeutsche Heimathefte*
> The third partition (1795) ended the existence of Poland as a country
> The map of Prussia in 1806 is very important to understand
>> And those from Volhynia itself?  Barely 10%  Everyone
> else is a johnny-come-lately or parvenu.
> Al Muth

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