[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA Testing?
dbuss at rogers.com
Wed Sep 11 12:10:18 PDT 2013
Read your Epistle to the Non-believers, and am still left with the major
question of: How in the world does this DNA thing link you or me to the past
people long gone without them having provided a sample spit, or
----- Original Message -----
From: "Otto" <otto at schienke.com>
To: "SGGEElistserv list" <ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:52 AM
Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] DNA Testing?
> Good morning Listers!
> The question has been asked many times. I've wanted to submit a reply but
> did not take time to do so. . . so many e-letters to type.
> But then, perhaps I just procrastinate.
> I know there are many on the List and also SGGEE members who have taken
> the test I am discussing here, one I feel is a helper to paper-trail
> research. The participants can speak for themselves. I am willing to
> answer questions limited to this test and its use but will do so
> I am involved in both paper-trail and DNA research and receive the same
> delight from a new paper record of a past relative of mine as from a DNA
> match without a paper. The signature of a g.g.g. grandfather on paper,
> Wow.-the DNA genetic shift because of just one marital union, Wow.
> This is today, we cannot have the chicken without the egg. Both is better.
> Like a right and left hand washing dishes. SGGEE and 23andMe, a symbiotic
> The question that has come to the fore ofttimes, "Of what value is DNA
> There must be a value because the field is growing tremendously.
> DNA testing proves to be an adjunct to paper-trail research.
> Paper-trail research proves to be an adjunct to DNA trail research.
> I see no difference between the two. . . except DNA records are more
> Paper-trail offers a written legal pedigree, that is, in accordance with
> all the relevant rules.
> DNA offers a biological pedigree (we must view ourselves as a lump of
> information, code; no bluffing in the code).
> I always think of a stateside cartoon series (the funny paper) of the
> past; Popeye, the sailer-man and his saying, "I yam what I yam and tha's
> all what I yam." So goes it with DNA testing.
> "What benefit is DNA testing for paper-trail genealogy?"
> Civil paper records "state" I am my father's son. They are my legal
> *note: A woman on the DNA site enjoyed the test so much (all of that
> info!) but not possessing a Y chromosome (female are X~X, no male Y~X)
> badgered her paper-trail father into taking the test, paid for it as a
> stimulus. He finally agreed. She waited impatiently for the results-they
> finally arrived! No match. . . not your father. . .Time to talk to Mom.
> DNA biological records prove it out. They are biological identification.
> DNA testing has released many persons wrongly convicted on criminal
> Types of DNA testing:
> "STR" testing for "Haplotype" will prove out that I am my son's father.
> Short Tandem Repeats -STR, a favorite in forensics.
> and 23andMe spit-testing
> "SNP" testing for "Haplogroup" (23andme) will provide a 23 chromosome,
> 1,000,000 + markers big picture test leading into the distant past.
> Single Nucleotide polymorphism -SNPs, valuable in study of disease
> development and critical in personalized medicine. For genealogy purposes
> it provides a 23 chromosome based view of what genes a person is knit
> -It creates a "Y-Haplogroup", based on the Y chromosome which contains
> markers passed from father to father to father into the distant past.
> My Y-Haplogroup is R1b1b2a1a1*, the base group is "R" and each character
> after the initial R represents a mutation, for example,
> 1-b-1-b-2-a-1-a-1-*, the asterisk marks an as of yet unclassified
> mutation. I refer to it as Mother Nature's latest software code update.
> -it creates a mtDNA-Haplogroup, based on the DNA of mitochondria in the
> red blood cells, passed from mother to mother to mother and so on into the
> distant past.
> My mtDNA-Haplogroup is H1, the base group is "H" and each character after
> the initial H represents a mutation.
> So. . . What has it offered me besides my health scenario. . . (Yo!
> Mon!-Sheesh, I thought so. . . now I know it for sure and live
> Health includes Health Risks, Drug Response, Inherited Conditions, Traits,
> Health Tools
> DNA testing pointed me to the shorelines of the North Sea and beyond,
> laying claim to being an ancient inhabitant of Doggerland, now lying
> beneath the North Sea since the last glacial meltdown. This immediately
> redirected my paper-trail research to the Baltic Sea coast and west to the
> North Sea coast. The "Cluster Effect" came to the fore as I searched for
> similar peoples moving along the coast to eastern territories. I am making
> headway-"can't know where you are going until you know where you coming
> What else did genetic testing with 23andme provide for me?
> -It provided me with my "Ancestry Composition"- My mixed gene bag of who I
> really am. Amazing!
> -It provided me with my "Maternal Line" History (research can also be
> conducted online (google, Wiki,etc) using just the haplogroup characters)
> -It provided me with my "Paternal Line" History (ditto)
> -It provide me with my "Neanderthal Ancestry" (2.6%. . . my deceased wife
> always accused me of carrying some markers-I accused her family of
> carrying many markers. . . her brother tested Y-haplogroup R1b1b2a1a1. . .
> @ 2.9% Neanderthal (yeh! I knew it!)
> Well, I at least remain the latest haplogroup update. . .*)
> -"Ancestry Tools" box has a variety of algorithms to play with-I like
> "Global Similarity."
> -It provided me (to date) "DNA Relatives.", with 766 biological
> Some are paper-trail verified-(They must also be spit-tested and part of
> the database group.)
> A few verified paper-trailers follow:
> I ran 23andme application ("Family Traits" algorithm) and tested myself
> against myself. . . Yup! 100% me. "I yam what I yam and tha's all what I
> I ran their application (algorithm) and tested myself against my son. .
> .50% me. (it is my son!)
> I ran their application (algorithm) and tested myself against my first
> cousin. . Yup! 1st cousin maternal side!
> I ran their application (algorithm) and tested myself against my 3rd
> cousin. . . 3rd cousin he is!
> -Without a present day paper-trail ID, in "DNA Relatives.", Norman Radke
> rates as a 5th cousin, his offspring rate as cousins, Donald Miller rates
> as a 5th cousin, Earl Schultz rates as a 10th cousin and so on. Albert
> Muth and I are very similar genetically but not part of a direct line of
> descent even though Albert is also a cousin to Donald Miller. . . and Meta
> This is just the beginning. Many more names will be added to the "DNA
> Relatives" relative list. Once a DNA connection is established, contact
> must be established and a paper-trail connection needs to be made. In
> checking the 23andme site for the number of cousins, I noticed another
> close female relative I have the paper-trail for. . . Gotta write to her.
> -It provides me with my "Gene Comparison" to the rest of the 23andme
> group. ( birds of a feather do flock together)
> It provides me with my "Family Traits", an application, (algorithm) which
> I use to compare my genes with all who have agreed to share with me at
> 23andme. Your actual DNA code is never seen by others and vice-versa.
> 23andme computer algorithms do the work for you. Quickly.
> -One can also participate in their research. . . With paper-trail and DNA
> trail pursuits, my time is limited.
> -A "Community Site" and "Blog" exists for answers to questions.
> . . . Otto
> " The Zen moment..." wk. of January 01, 2013-
> "Answers out there . . . Seeking us."
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