[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 56, Issue 20
E SCHEIBLER
e.scheibler at shaw.ca
Wed Jan 23 12:37:44 PST 2008
Hello to all,
I have not been active the last couple of years and I don't know the procedure but I want to get started on my mothers side of the family. My name is Edward Scheibler and my mother was a daughter of Gustav Dreffs and Louise Wenzel(l). My father stated that my mother spoke a low German but who is to know. Louis father was William Wenzell, a roof thatcher. I have no written record of his wife but it was said to be"Wados or Wadow' (that sounds Polish to me)
It was said that she worked for a 'physian' and the climate was mild.(i.e. grape fields)Gustave Wenzell, their son, had two sons. Pauline, the eldest daughter married a Reimer and Molly, the youngest daughter, married a Merke(they had four children.
This I got from the family bible.
Any suggestions?
Edward Scheibler
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:18:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joan <forsoftsong at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] NEUMANN & Schulz (Linda
> Windmoeller) &Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest, Vol 56, Issue 19
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Dear Linda,
>
> I am sure that others are more qualified to help you with
> the locations you seek for your family.
>
> As for whether Low German was spoken in Pommerania, I can
> tell you, yes. It was spoken all along the Baltic and
> North Sea coasts. And there was a version of Low German
> spoken by the German colonists along the Vistula river called
> Niederung Platt. I know one of the old timers who
> lived there back then, and was expelled from Poland after WWII.
> He speaks that dialect. There were several dialects of Platt and
> Low German, in Poland, moreorless understandable, to most.
>
> In general, the Low German in Poland had a lot of slavic
> influences, and in Pommerania there may have also been some
> elements from the Old Pagan Prussian language leftover from the
> Prus that were defeated by the German Teutonic Knights, who
> later used the name Prussians when referring to themselves.
>
> After most of the ethnic Germans were expelled from
> Poland (post WWII), Low German was still spoken by the older
> folks along the North Sea and parts of Holland.
>
> Bromberg was a German town and province at one time, and
> now goes by the name, Bydgoszcz in Central Poland. There
> is a website that has a lot of German to Polish names for two
> areas in Dobriner Land, near Bromberg. Lipno and Rypin.
> You can see it listed on the side of the webpage under Kreis
> Lipno nad Kreis Rypin. This may be of use to you at some
> point. http://www.dobriner-land.de/ Also, you
> may find the map seeker useful in the Jewish genealogy
> site. They can help you locate small villages, past and
> present throughout Europe. http://www.jewishgen.org/
>
> You have an interesting family history, and I wish you
> luck unraveling the mysteries.
>
> Joan Allen
> SC USA
>
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> SCHULZ (Linda Windmoeller)
> 2. SCHWEBS (Marcin Nawrocki)
> 3. Re: Catholic baptism noted in Gabin Evangelical Parish
> Register (Jerry Frank)
> 4. Re: Platkownica, Poland (duesterhoeft at gmx.de)
> 5. German Wehrmacht War Dead (Albert Treichel)
> 6. Re: German Wehrmacht War Dead (Gary Warner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:35:24 -0600
> From: "Linda Windmoeller"
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Ger-Poland-Volhynia Digest,
> Vol 56,
> Issue 18 NEUMANN & SCHULZ
> To:
> Message-ID: <485A2CF2C7374994B1D65D7AA7AC6B6F at VistaPC>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Hello Samantha & others,
>
> Greetings from frozen Wisconsin! Samantha, I see you are
> researching
> Neumann and Shulz surnames. So am I, perhaps we will find a
> connection.
> I need everyone's help to locate the birthplaces and marriage of
> my great
> grandparents (because my clues have not added up so far):
>
> *Johann Daniel Michael HEDTKE. b. 16 Feb 1846 in Sheperia/Sepere
> (location
> ?, possibly 90 miles north of Berlin, possibly by Bromberg in
> current day
> Poland) went by first name of Michael
> hailed from Kreischuling (? maybe Kreis Schubin, WPR?) per
> application
> for USA citizenship; also (per my aged uncle) was from a village
> named
> Pilsen
> *Amelia/Amilia/Emilie NUEMANN, b. 26 Mar 1864 in Chesnau?
> (location?)
> supposedly a walled midieval city on the border (between Germany-
> Poland?)per family lore: her parents/family owned a sawmill in
> the Black Forest
> (?) of which she received notice of inheritance after living in
> the USA, but
> was unable to return to Germany to claim
> *Married 26 Mar 1886 in Germany/Prussia; immigrated to USA 1890
> (on separate
> voyages, have found ship registry for Michael arriving to New
> York 10 Apr
> 1890, unable to find Amelia's immigration).
> Amelia's parent's names: August NEUMANN (or NEWMANN?) and
> Christine SCHULZ,
> per Amelia's death record
> Michael's parent's names: Frederick HEDTKE and Wilhelmina
> (Unknown surname)
>
> *Either Michael or Amelia spoke low German, and the other high German.
> They had 2 children born in Germany/Prussia, named Bertha and
> William, and
> Amelia told Michael the children had died between the time he
> sailed for USA
> (end of Feb 1890) and the time she subsequently immigrated
> (while pregnant
> with child #3, sometime before his Wisconsin, USA birth 15 Sep
> 1890).
> Family descendant of this couple claims the 2 children born in
> Germany/Prussia did not die as infants, but were instead left by
> the wife
> with relatives, and the wife lied to her husband.
>
> Michael had a brother named Froedrick "Fred" Ano L. HEDTKE, b.
> 20 Jun 1860
> Sepere, immigrated 1884 to USA; and a brother Henry HEDTKE, b.
> Nov 1869
> Germany/Prussia, immigrated 1883 to USA. Michael was a farmer.
> Amelia had a brother named Carl J. Henry NEUMANN, b. Jun 1854 in
> Germany/Prussia, that settled in (Palo Alto) Iowa, USA. His
> daughter,
> Martha E. NEWMAN, b. 26 Apr 1884/85 supposedly in Berlin,
> Germany,
> immigrated with her parents to USA in 1888. Martha married
> William Carl
> MANZ of Iowa and settled in (Eddy) North Dakota, USA. Amelia's
> daughters
> visited their first cousin, Martha, in North Dakota in 1949 and
> I have
> photos of their visit.
>
> So far I have not been able to confirm any of the locations in
> Europe
> (Sheperia/Sepere, Pilsen, Kreischuling, Chesnau) or find
> birth/marriage
> records for Michael or Amelia. Does anyone on this list know of
> villages by
> those names in West Prussia, Eastern Germany, current day
> Poland? And was
> low German ever spoken in the area of Pommerania?
>
> If I could just find one clue to help make sense of something!
> Help,
> please. I will greatly appreciate any insight!
>
> Linda in WI
>
> ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:34:10 -0500
> > From: "Samantha"
>
> > Other surnames that I'm researching in this area:
> ...NEUMANN....SHULZ...>
> > I would like to hear from anyone who thinks they have a
> connection to any
> > of these names or this area. I have maps giving the names of
> people and
> > showing where they lived, pictures and BMD information, etc.
> >
> > Samantha
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:09:13 +0100
> From: "Marcin Nawrocki"
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] SCHWEBS
> To:
> Message-ID: <002301c85c82$a3be22f0$3c4ffea9 at marcinek>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"
>
> Hallo,
> I'm looking for the informations about family SCHWEBS from Kreis
> Briesen or Gollub (Pommern). My ggmather was Catherine Schwebs
> married with Friedrich SCHIELMANN (between 1868-1875).
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
> Marcin Nawrocki
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:41:12 -0700
> From: Jerry Frank
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Catholic baptism noted in Gabin
> Evangelical Parish Register
> To: Worth Anderson ,
> ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <0JV000M01Y64FY10 at l-daemon>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> According to my maps, Kepa Popielarka was on an
> island in the Wisla River. We know that a
> variety of conditions caused some of these
> islands to disappear over time or to be joined by
> sand bars to one bank or the other. I cannot say
> for sure if this was the case in your time frame.
>
> The true reason for the double registration may
> be lost to time. I have a similar situation with
> an ancestor, once at Augustopol and then again at
> Dabrowice. In both the case of your baptism and
> the later switch to Plock from Gabin, perhaps
> access to the north side of the river was easier
> or became easier than the south side. Or maybe
> they didn't like the pastor a Gabin so started
> registering at Plock not all that much further away.
>
>
>
> Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta
> FranklySpeaking at shaw.ca
>
>
> At 07:09 AM 20/01/2008, Worth Anderson wrote:
> >Below is my extract of an unusual entry in the Gabin
> >Evangelical Parish register. It records the birth of
> >a child to Evangelical parents, and then notes that
> >the child was baptized in the Catholic church at
> >Zakrzewo a day after his birth. Has anyone run across
> >similar occurrences?
> >
> >I'm guessing that in this case it was feared that the
> >child would die, and the Catholic church in Zakrzewo
> >was easier to get to than the Evangelical church in
> >Gabin, on the other side of the Vistula River.
> >
> >In this regard, I wonder if anyone knows whether the
> >Vistula shifted course during the mid-1830s, so that
> >Kepa Popielarska (apparently also known as Kepa
> >Swiniarski) became closer to the north bank? The
> >Fisch family appears consistently in the Gabin
> >register through the mid-1830s, and is described as
> >living on Kepa Popielarski/Swiniarski. From 1839 they
> >appear in the Plock parish registers, but still are
> >consistently described as living on Kepa
> >Popielarski/Swiniarski.
> >
> >Worth Anderson
> >
> >G?bin Parish Register, 1838-1843, 1838 Baptism No.16;
> >FHL Microfilm No. 729293: 28 Oct 1838 Jan Fisz,
> >gospodarz residing on K?pa Popielarkska, 29, with
> >Jakub K?hlmann, wyrobnik residing in Wi?czemin
> >Polskie, 25, and Jan Szewc, gospodarz, residing in
> >Borki, 27, reports birth of male child on 13th of
> >current month in K?pa Popielarska to his wife
> >Maryanna, born Rystof, 34. The child was in the
> >Catholic church in Zakrzewo on the 14th of this month
> >given the name Boguslaw, and the godparents were Jakob
> >Krampitz, gospodarz on Wykowska K?pa, and Elzbieta
> >Golnik from "Bobrzej Vigry." Johan Fisch signs.
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:23:51 +0100
> From: "duesterhoeft at gmx.de"
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Platkownica, Poland
> To: Samantha
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <47957DE7.2050507 at gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> > I'm researching ancestors in the German/Lutheran settlement of
> > Mazowieckie Province, primarily the villages of Platkownica,
> Sadoles,[...]
> > Other surnames that I'm researching in this area: EWALD,
> FRANK, JABS,
> > KOPP, KREBS, MINKE, NEUMANN, PATZER, RADKE
>
> Hi Samantha.
>
> How is you german? http://platkowniza-sadoles.de should be interesting
> for you; the site's owner is a Mr. Ratke ...
>
> Stefan
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:57:01 -0500
> From: "Albert Treichel"
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Wehrmacht War Dead
> To:
> Message-ID: <001f01c85cfe$a9987a50$8d39fea9 at office>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> For the benefit of other members with similar questions, I have
> been successful in finding information on an uncle who went
> missing-in-action from the German army during WW2. After I
> initiated a search quite some time ago by providing only my
> skimpy vital statistics data on my uncle, I received a letter in
> German yesterday from Deutsche Dienststelle (www.dd-wast.de)
> giving name, birth date, home village, dog tag number, regiment
> and battalion info and where and when he went missing (June 23-
> 30, 1944 from Bobruisk, Russia). It stated my request was
> referred to the German Red Cross in Munich, which responded with
> the information.
>
> Bert Treichel
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:20:12 -0800
> From: Gary Warner
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] German Wehrmacht War Dead
> To: Albert Treichel
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <479625CC.3030800 at warnerengineering.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Bert,
>
> You might try the database at
> http://www.sggee.org/databases#German%20War%20Dead to see if
> more or
> different data is available.
>
> Gary Warner
> SGGEE
>
> Albert Treichel wrote:
> > For the benefit of other members with similar questions, I
> have been successful in finding information on an uncle who went
> missing-in-action from the German army during WW2. After I
> initiated a search quite some time ago by providing only my
> skimpy vital statistics data on my uncle, I received a letter in
> German yesterday from Deutsche Dienststelle (www.dd-wast.de)
> giving name, birth date, home village, dog tag number, regiment
> and battalion info and where and when he went missing (June 23-
> 30, 1944 from Bobruisk, Russia). It stated my request was
> referred to the German Red Cross in Munich, which responded with
> the information.
> >
> > Bert Treichel
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:11:48 +0100
> From: "duesterhoeft at gmx.de" <duesterhoeft at gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Platkownica, Poland
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
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> Hi Samantha,
>
> > I tried to e-mail Mr. Ratke but don't think I was successful...
>
> I successfully used the contact form only a few weeks ago, so if he
> didn't answer yet, I suppose he's on an holiday/research trip without
> internet access or something.
>
> The snail mail address would be in Germany, but maybe you just
> have to
> wait a little longer for email.
>
> Stefan Duesterhoeft
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:32:16 +0100
> From: larry steinke <larrysteinke at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fwd: Google alternative for Poland
> To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Message-ID: <44D1AB21-8221-4713-89FC-D49C147CC69F at gmail.com>
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>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I found yet another satellite map site for Poland. http://
> www.geoportal.gov.pl
> It has pretty good coverage and very good detail (but black
> and
> white) images.
> It's all in polish but basically you just navigate by zooming in
> on
> the green map of Poland
> and selecting first the vovoidship (province) then the
> powiat
> (district) then the gmina.
> if your are not familiar with the names and shapes of the
> powiats and
> gmina's etc., use Google earth as a reference (with borders on)
> At any stage you can select the round blue map button "Zbacz
> wybrana
> mape" to get the satellite images.
> from there you can move around and zoom in and out.
>
> Cheers.
> -Larry
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:37:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sig Matt <sigmatt at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Fw: Sadoles- Platkownica, Poland
> To: ger-poland-volhynia eclipse
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> Stefan, and all others,
>
> The Siedlce Archive has acknowledged that they have records of
> the Evangelical-Augsburg Parish of
> Sadoles-Platkownica for the years 1845 - 48, 1850 - 52, 1854 -
> 56, 1872 - 73, 1877, 1900 -01.
> I have recently wired funds to them to search the Matt family name.
>
> Additionally the LDS Family History Center has film #0811254 FHC
> that, according to it's tittle, contains the record of the
> Evangelical-Augsburg Parish of Sadoles-Platkownica
> for the years 1832 -78, 1900 - 01. The writing is in the Polish
> language.
> In my first session I found that the film starts with the year
> 1845 .
> Some of the familiar names on the film are:
> Bejer, Gotschalk, Hintz, Jabs, Jeske, Kopp, Mylke, Neumann,
> Rystau, Sommerfeld, Strauch.
> I plan to thoroughly search the film however, I am currently
> tied up with other pressing issues. So it
> will likely be some time before I can report back.
>
> Happy hunting to all
>
> Sig Matt
> sigmatt at sbcglobal.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "duesterhoeft at gmx.de" <duesterhoeft at gmx.de>
> To: Samantha <snorth5 at verizon.net>
> Cc: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:23:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Platkownica, Poland
>
> > I'm researching ancestors in the German/Lutheran settlement of
> > Mazowieckie Province, primarily the villages of Platkownica,
> Sadoles,[...]
> > Other surnames that I'm researching in this area: EWALD,
> FRANK, JABS,
> > KOPP, KREBS, MINKE, NEUMANN, PATZER, RADKE
>
> Hi Samantha.
>
> How is you german? http://platkowniza-sadoles.de should be interesting
> for you; the site's owner is a Mr. Ratke ...
>
> Stefan
>
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