[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish parishes and Polish place names

Rose Ingram roseingram at shaw.ca
Sat Oct 10 09:28:49 PDT 2009


In my personal data I added the parish in brackets for my own reference, and perhaps should have removed the parish notation before submitting because I do cite the Church/parish source.  There is no need to reference the parish in the place description.  I use the description according the LDS convention which is similar to map I have, dated 1939.

But, Gorki is a very good example of why I noted the parish in brackets.  There are/were two villages named Gorki in this area.  

One was between the towns Przedecz and Klodawa, a stone's throw south of Klokoczyn, and according to my map within the boundaries of "Kutno, Lodz, Poland".  Residents from this village would have used either Przedecz church or Klodawa according to their whim.    To confuse things further, this Gorki is very close to the boundaries of three former provinces of Lodz, Poznan and Wloclawek, according to my map.   

The other Gorki is about 3 miles (5 kilometers) SSW of Klodawa, Kolo, Poznan, Poland.  I have been able to determine this as the village where my ancestors lived in the 1800's as well as other Germans.  I found my ancestors records in both Klodawa Catholic parish and in Dabie Evangelical/Lutheran parish.  It seems the winter babies were baptised and recorded in Klodawa Catholic and summer babies in Dabie which was quite a distance south.  This is why I added the parish name in my personal file.

I believe Chwalborczyce Holendry became known as Chwalborczyce, which about 3 miles (5 km) SE of Dabie.  There was a village Chwalborskie between these two places, about a mile south of Dabie.  Now here we go with the boundaries and three other provinces again.  According to my map Chwalborczyce was in Poddebice county, Lodz, Poland, but obviously the residents would have gone to Dabie church.  And Chwalborskie was in Kolo, Poznan, Poland, accordingly to my map.  

There are a lot of villages in the corridor between Klodawa and Dabie and which were occupied by Germans and most of these villages were within Leczyca county, and residents used the Sobotka Catholic, Grabow Catholic and Dabie Lutheran churches, depending on time period and possibly the time of year.  Again, winter babies baptisms are in the Catholic churches which were close by and summer babies baptisms are recorded in Dabie church records.

It appears people used the church which was convenient at the time and paid no attention to boundaries.

I don't know if this answers your questions, or if you may be scratching your head a lot more.

Rose Ingram 

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Proper 
  To: ger-poland-volhynia at eclipse.sggee.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:44 PM
  Subject: [Ger-Poland-Volhynia] Polish parishes and Polish place names

  I had never worked with Polish place names until recently when Rose Ingram
  sent me a treasure trove of information about my Plotzke relations. I am
  entering the data into TMG and was struck by the variety of Polish place
  names and the seemingly various ways of recording them. I looked into the
  modern Polish place name conventions - gimas, powiat, voivdeship and
  country. Armed with that, I have a place named "Dabie, Kolo, Poznan,
  Poland". That seems to make sense, like municipality, county, province,
  county. But then I find place names recorded in family group sheets such as
  "Gorki, (Dabie Parish), Kolo, Poznan, Poland". I understand that Gorki is
  obviously in the Dabie Parish and provides another level of information.
  Which do people prefer and why? 

  Another question: are there maps that delineate what the parish boundaries
  might have been during various time frames? For example, the birth place of
  Friedrich Wilhelm Plotzke on 25 Apr 1849 was Chwalborczyce Holendry. The
  record was in the Dabie Parish books but when I found the village
  (Chwalborczyce) using ShtelSeeker it was about 5 km southeast of the town of
  Dabie and just across the provincial border in Lodz. So now would this be
  "Chwalborczyce, (Dabie Parish), ?county-unknown?, Lodz, Poland"?  Which
  leads to a further question is there a definitive way to determine which
  powiat would be the correct name to use here? The convention seems to be
  that they are named after the largest city in the region but that is not
  easy to ascertain.

  OK, last question, where is the village of Gorki mentioned above - "Gorki,
  (Dabie Parish), Kolo, Poznan, Poland"? Enter that in ShtelSeeker and you get
  93 potential places in Poland! Is there way to focus ShtelSeeker to a
  smaller region than just Poland as a whole?

  Thanks for your assistance and patience!
  Dave Proper
  dproper at charter.net

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