[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] name 'Luise'
Spaghettitree at aol.com
Spaghettitree at aol.com
Sat Nov 13 15:07:48 PST 2010
Linda - I believe those variant spellings are perhaps more by the whim and
heritage and sophistication and education of the writers of their time,
since spellings were not given structure until late in the 19th century and
early 20th century - and many of those were ignored, by the clergy, by the
educated, and especially by the immigrants and those with whom they came in
contact. There are far more extensive etymologies for surnames (I have a
bunch of those) than for what we call given names, though some of those wound
up as surnames.
You are correct about the 'e' at the end of a name being pronounced in
Germanic names, but just barely, like Porsche, a small 'eh'. Far less
pronounced than the tin can I drive (Honda). Easier than French, though - lots
and lots of that is silent, except when sung, then it is articulated. In
addition, many, many, many Germanic church records are in a combination of
German, Latin and French - and all their dialects.
I appreciate the Wikipedia references, thank you kindly, but unless I can
see some hard citations, (ingrained from too many years working in the law,
I s'pose) I consider that volunteer data. That doesn't mean it's at all
incorrect, obviously, but there is no proof or reliable source given for 99%
of those I've ever seen, therefore I cannot bring myself to justify
Wikipedia as a source either. I am so old-fashioned I still look to books, the
calibre of books, the credibility of authors, and more than one book on a
given subject, for substantive answers. Even the publishers of
Encyclopaedia Britannica and Webster's and the multitude of professorial histories
make mistakes sometimes - but I think they are more reliable, as is the
O.E.D. and the other worldwide publications, than anything on Wikipedia - at
least so far, without knowing where it came from or how it is quoted. I read
through some of that Creative Commons gobbledegook; doesn't change my
opinion. That's just my personal view and doesn't make anyone else's
viewpoint incorrect whatsoever, only individual. .
I just read recently in "Newsweek" that some woman had published a textbook
to be used for teaching in the schools (of Virginia, I think it was) which
stated that the blacks in the South fought for the Confederacy. When
asked for her authority, she said "the Internet".
Maureen (I'm from Missouri - Show Me!)
In a message dated 11/13/2010 1:06:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
marmel at pctcnet.net writes:
I've been extracting the 1700-1855 German church records of Blasheim,
northwestern Germany, for 4 years now, and the name "Luise" is spelled
way up until the end of May 1853, when the church records start recording
"Louise". I believe "Luise" was likely pronounced "Louisa". And in those
church books, the name Elizabeth is consistantly spelled "Elisabeth" so
Linda in Wisconsin
Blasheim: Windmoeller, Rowekamp, Kleinschmidt, Voss
Provinz Posen: Hedtke, Neumann, Schulz; Steinbach, Liebenau
Pommern: Hass, Voss
East Prussia: Gnoss
Volhynia: Steinbach, Liebenau, Gnoss
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> Looking at one source, Names, Nicknames and Misspelled Names by Nancy
> Ellen Carlberg, which is more a collection than an explanation, I had
> you would be most certainly correct, but not according to this book.
> says see Louise, Lucy and there are dozens of versions of those, but
> nothing close to Elizabeth, as would seem logical - Liza/Louisa/Luise.
> another source, German Names - A Practical Guide by Kenneth L. Smith, a
> scholarly approach, again, many versions of Elizabeth, but beginning
> rather than Lo or Lu. Louise or Luise isn't even mentioned here. So
> Luise appears to derive from Louise or Lucy rather than Elizabeth..
> According to The Facts on File Dictionary of First Names by Dunkling and
> Gosling, again, lists of alternates and nicknames for Elizabeth along
> with its
> historical origin but none beginning with Lo or Lu. Louise is declared
> as the
> French feminine form of Louis. Lucy is stated to be the "normal English
> form of Lucia". Luise is not listed.
> If I locate anything to the contrary, I'll let you know.
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