[Ger-Poland-Volhynia] The right village / town of Suckow

Mauricio Norenberg mauricio.norenberg at gmail.com
Tue May 27 05:36:29 PDT 2014

Hi Helen

You mean Riga/Latvia? It would be a broader search and I would need a bit
more reasons to search in there. However I have family stories of them
being even in odd places like Belgium (??).

By the way I see you research Pufahl, I have a Brazilian contact with the
surname Pufal and has his research in Volhynia and Poland.
Who are your Pufahl's?

On 28 May 2014 00:29, Helen Gillespie <gilleh23 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mauricio,  Have you considered checking in the Riga area?  I know my
> great-great-grandparents (Baier to Michigan and North Dakota) and some of
> their children left Wolhynia ca. 1903-5 from there, went to Liverpool and
> then to the USA.  It appeared to have been a big departure area - perhaps
> closer than via Bremen.
> Also some went to Brazil (Kelm family) - but have no dates or locations.
> I have not followed this up, but there may be possibilities, there having
> been a large German population there up until 1939-40.
> Helen Gillespie
> Searching: Baier, Bethke, Kukaskch, Koenig, Kelm, Pufahl
> in Wolhynia and Poland; Solomka, Berestowiec, Konstantynow, Turek
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 7:16 AM, Mauricio Norenberg <
> mauricio.norenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sigrid,
>> Sorry I missed your other email (I found it now).
>> It seems most of Suckow results on Kartenmeister are in Pommern.
>> Regarding DieMaus link, I did find my grandfather's (Johann and family)
>> manifest from 1908 there some time ago, interestingly the same can't be
>> found on FHL.
>> Some other researcher from Brazil - whose family are in the same group as
>> mine - found registers of his grandfather actually re-obtaining his German
>> citizenship before emigrating to Brazil. But when leaving Bremen and
>> entering Brazil, he would always declare being Russian. On the same line
>> of
>> thinking, I believe that would be also benefits for those who declared
>> being a Russian national.
>> My grandmother always told me they definitely lived in Germany before
>> coming to Brazil but I could never find proof. The fact I can't find any
>> sign of Gottfried and Johann's families in Volhynia after 1890's could
>> help
>> on this theory. They 'disappear' from Volhynia on the 1890's and re-appear
>> in Brazil in 1908\1914. I still have to solve this gap.
>> My guess is try to find birth records of the youngest children like Robert
>> Norenberg born in 1910/11 somewhere near Gdansk.
>> Other source could be German or Pommern naturalization records.
>> I am interested in your link from Glogowiec as it seems my ancestors had
>> lived there for quite a while.
>> Kind Regards
>> Mauricio
>> On 27 May 2014 12:58, Sigrid Pohl Perry <perry1121 at aol.com> wrote:
>> >  Hi Mauricio.
>> > I already wrote you that they were living in Suckow, Pommern but were
>> > Russian citizens which would be true of anyone from Volhynia.
>> >
>> > I looked in www.kartenmeister.com and put Suckow in the search engine.
>> > One of them is very close to Danzig/Gdansk, the port. It occurred to me
>> > that if they were trying to emigrate, that living near the port city and
>> > working as a day laborer on a farm would make sense. Then they could
>> take a
>> > ship from there to Bremen, another port, from which ships left for
>> either
>> > North America or South America quite often. Of course, it is difficult
>> to
>> > say how long they stayed there. Unless there was some kind of civil
>> > registration or a family member was born or died, I don't know that
>> there
>> > would be any records. Maybe there was an advantage to being able to
>> > indicate that they were leaving from a place in a German territory.
>> >
>> > Sigrid
>> >
>> > On 5/26/2014 4:23 PM, Mauricio Norenberg wrote:
>> >
>> > It could mean born in Russia but residing in Suckow.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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